PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

CO ($56)
Hero ($155.70)
SB ($224.90)
BB ($225.20)
UTG ($55.70)
UTG+1 ($22.10)
MP1 ($107.35)
MP2 ($98)
MP3 ($93.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
5 folds, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds.

Flop: ($7.50) , , (2 players)
CO bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($13.50) (2 players)
CO bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($19.50) (2 players)
CO bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $29.50

Results in white below:
CO has 9c 9s (two pair, nines and eights).
Hero has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $29.50.

No but his bet on the flop was weak, his bet on the turn was weaker (plus I picked up the nut flush draw) and by the time he bet again on the river, I was 90% sure that I was ahead.

I still don't get why you are playing a LAg game and playing AA/KK so weak preflop.

lol whats the point of this?
why do u want to play a small pot with KK?
why do u want to give ur opponent a free flop?

when u have big hands u want to make ur opponents pay to play.
im 100% sure playing KK this way can not be +ev in the long run.

if this was a tournament, and u both had low stack sizes relative to your pf raise amounts.. then yea, it might be acceptable to flat call, looking to get a cb from ur opponent before pushing all in. But this is a cash game, and this is a huge no-no. lol

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

I still don't get why you are playing a LAg game and playing AA/KK so weak preflop.

I realise it may seem like it but I'm not playing AA and KK weak preflop the majority of the time. I know I've posted a couple of hands recently where I've tried to get fancy with my big hands but I haven't posted all the hands where I bet/re-raise PF and everyone folds. Besides, in this case I know I'm going to have position on my opponent and I'm quite confident that I can outplay him after the flop.

You guys really raise and/or re-raise PF with AA/KK 100% of the time? To me it's like raising from MP with 67s, you're doing it for deception. If I re-raise my opponent everytime I pick up a big hand, it's going to become pretty obvious to everyone at the table what I'm holding. In this hand had I re-raised my opponent PF, he would have check/folded on the flop and I wouldn't have gotten anything else out of him.

edit: According to PT, I'm raising PF with AA and KK about 88% of the time and I know I've read in a couple of books that the pros like to raise about 80% of the time or something like that.

In this hand had I re-raised my opponent PF, he would have check/folded on the flop and I wouldn't have gotten anything else out of him.

I guess It's very difficult to measure your expected value here based upon whether you reraise.

If the flop comes down 932 and you have flat called you are probably going broke having given him a free flop (I would anyway - how do you know he doesnt have TT/JJ/QQ)?
If the board comes down 9 high and he has JJ/QQ maybe you then take his whole stack whilst if you had reraised you wouldn't.

I personally dont think $100NL games on PokerStars warrant this play. If you're playing with a small group of decent players (could be $1000NL+ game online/maybe a site with smaller player base or home game/local casino) this may be more worthwhile, I just don't feel it's necessary.

Pro's can slowplay these hands because they are not playing against donks. Without a very good read on an average $100NL opponent it's very difficult not to go broke with an overpair, whereas perhaps playing against Barry Greenstein you can at least be sure either my AA is losing or he is bluffing and not worry that he thinks A8 top pair is the nuts.

But it's not like I'm blind to the consequences of my decision. I realise that playing AA/KK passively PF is going to make post flop decisions much more difficult....I just don't care.

OK.

I know I win, you know you win. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. I won't comment on these type of threads by you any more.

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

OK.

I know I win, you know you win. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. I won't comment on these type of threads by you any more.

That's not what I want and I'm sorry if my comments came off harsher than they were intended to (I think a bad morning at the tables is to blame for that more than anything.) I just find it strange that most people don't get try to get cagey every now and then.

And I'm not saying it's the best thing to do, here it worked out for me but there are a couple of hands I have posted on here where things didnt go so well.