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Old 11-21-2006, 04:15 AM
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Default Bad River Raise?

I don't have a good enough read on the villain to figure out exactly what his check on the turn means. If the villain has been paying attention to me at all, he should know that there's a chance I'm bluffing this river. Unfortunately I don't know how much the villain has been paying attention, so....

I feared 22/33 but also thought that 9T, JT, QT or KT might play the hand the same way.





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CO ($145.55)
Button ($106.05)
SB ($106.35)
Hero ($84.30)
UTG ($217.95)
UTG+1 ($104.45)
MP1 ($92.50)
MP2 ($106.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($5.50) , , (5 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($21.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($21.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises to $28, Hero raises to $46, Button calls $18.

Final Pot: $113.50

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Td (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 3s 3h (full house, threes full of tens).
Outcome: Button wins $113.50.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:28 PM
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I wouldn't have re raised the river here, the only hand you're beating that I see you being called by is a weaker 10.
He's potentially bluffing a busted flush draw but you don't get any more for raising here anyway.
Overpair is unlikely, unless he's a donkey and didn't notice the 10 on the turn.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:05 PM
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i would re raise flop.

i would re raise river.
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Old 11-22-2006, 12:16 AM
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i would bet 4$ on the flop, when he raises me on flop i would assume he has 2pair or better.

When the turn pairs the ten, the chance of him having the ten is drastically decreased, so if he has 2pair or better he probably has a shit 2 pair like 23, or he has a set 22/33. However his turn check behind is kinda weird, it could signifiy that he was maybe raising with a big draw on the flop to get a free river card (maybe a 45 of diamonds). He could also be checking behind because he knows u have a T, and hes holding 23 in which case he now knows hes beat. Or he could also be checking behind to give u a free card because he made his FH, and knows that ur drawing to the flush.

With that being said, I put out a value/blocking bet on the river of 1/3rd the ps (i'd bet about $7.5) and fold to a raise (he would only raise this river with something that beats you - KT or under isnt going to check behind on taht turn (also chance of him having a T in his hand is rare), 23 is definately not raising you, the only thing he would have raised this river with that would have played the hand like it did is 5d6d, 22, 33, T3, T2.

If you have a read, and u think ur hand is best here. It is at best a call imo.

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Old 11-22-2006, 03:12 AM
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I'm not reraising the river. If he's bluffing, he'd just fold to a reraise anyways.

Eclipse analysis is great as usual.
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:46 AM
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When I was playing 9 handed $100NL I think I would have either check-called river (hoping to get bluff from busted draw and minimising losses against full house). However I think betting and calling raise is OK. Definitely no need to 3 bet without a read that opponent is loose.
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Old 11-24-2006, 09:20 AM
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3bet this flop. one of the keys to beating nl 200+ is understanding how good of a flop this is. check raising is also a great option (and at a table where somone is likley to bet, i would most definantly check raise)

i wouldnt 3bet this river though. his raise would def scare me. wota makes a good point u can just check this river and people are going to take a stab here alot of the time. his turn check is sooooooooooooooo weird, he cant really have a T here, he either has like a boat or missed draw on the river... maybe like 88 or 99.

check and let worse hands bet

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