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11-19-2006, 07:56 PM
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set on a flush board, how do you play this?
This was a interesting hand to play, MP was fairly LAG and I was pretty confident that he didnt have flush on the flop. However I suspected that he had a high heart card. I didnt want to over commit to this pot on the flop so I just called the flop bet. Turn was a non-heart, but it did add straight possiblities. I called the small turn bet and was looking to complete my full house. River was a non-heart and he threw out a smallish bet, I just call and took down the pot.
Do you guys think I played this hand too passive? How do you extract the most money here without commiting yourself in case a 4th heart comes?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP (t3980)
CO (t815)
Hero (t2225)
SB (t1285)
BB (t3695)
UTG (t2280)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8  , 8  .
1 fold, MP calls t50, CO raises to t100, Hero calls t100, 1 fold, BB calls t50, MP calls t50.
Flop: (t425) J  , 5  , 8 (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets t150, CO folds, Hero calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t875) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets t200, Hero calls t200, BB folds.
River: (t1275) 2 (2 players)
MP bets t200, Hero calls t200.
Final Pot: t1675
Results in white below:
MP has Qh Jd (one pair, jacks).
Hero has 8s 8c (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins t1675.
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11-19-2006, 08:00 PM
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Mike McDermott
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That is passive, shouldnt you be raising every street to protect your hand, and make him pay for these draws.
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11-19-2006, 08:28 PM
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But is re-reraising the flop going to extract more money? He is leading out here, so I know he is prob going continue betting on the turn. His smallish bets to me either mean he is slowplaying or bluffing. So to me, re-raising is either going to scare him away (if he is bluffing) or commit me (cause he was slowplaying a made flush). And I know that I have some outs to the full house even if Im behind on the turn, so I think calling his small bet is ok. Had the 4h fell on river I might have stacked him.
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11-19-2006, 08:49 PM
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Mike McDermott
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his bet is trying to get him a cheap flush card. on the flop i might call, but if turn is blank im jacking it up to like pot size bet.
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11-19-2006, 09:55 PM
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play this hand like u are ahead until he tells you you are behind. this means putting in a potsize raise on the flop and betting the turn. If he 3bets flop, then u kno to slow down, if he doesnt, then ur ahead and can continue betting turn when its checked to you.
i would have raised this flop to 550-600, then get it all in on the turn.
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11-19-2006, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Eclipse86
play this hand like u are ahead until he tells you you are behind. this means putting in a potsize raise on the flop and betting the turn. If he 3bets flop, then u kno to slow down, if he doesnt, then ur ahead and can continue betting turn when its checked to you.
i would have raised this flop to 550-600, then get it all in on the turn.
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Yeah.
No reason to believe you don't have the best hand and plently of hands are gonna make the mistake of calling you down.
Raise to 600 and push the turn after he checks. He'll call this a lot and he's usually way behind.
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11-20-2006, 06:41 AM
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ok but lets say I re-raise a potsized bet on flop and then he decides to push. Do you fold then?
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11-20-2006, 04:03 PM
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Mike McDermott
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insta call. id say 20% time he has flush. 40% he has draw, 30% random hand.
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11-20-2006, 09:22 PM
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insta call. id say 20% time he has flush. 40% he has draw, 30% random hand.
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yea, insta-call.. your pot odds are too good to lay it down, also a good chance u are ahead anyways.
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11-24-2006, 08:21 AM
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Mike McDermott
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Quote:
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ok but lets say I re-raise a potsized bet on flop and then he decides to push. Do you fold then?
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no, you beat him into the pot.
even if he has a flush you have a reasonable chance to improve. and he has a draw alot of the time, an overpair (w/ or w/out a heart) AJ, KJ, lots of weird shit, you are way ahead of his range here, you have to raise this flop.
how do you play the turn if its a heart? how do you smooth call knowing there is still action behind you?
you say turn was a non heart but now there are straight possibilities...if the guy is bad enough to have 67 here(raise in ep after a limper) than how are you not getting it all in on this flop/turn, he could have anything.
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