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Old 11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
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Default Good call from c/o?

Heres a live hand I would like your thoughts on, cheers........

£20 NL Freeze out 50 runners. Blinds 100/200 roughly 15 left.

Just been moved tables(so no real reads on anyone).

Im in the big blind and short stacked with 1450.

The action folds to c/o who has roughly 3500.

He raises to 700(an extra 500 on top).

Everyone folds to me and I push with , so with an extra 750 on top, c/o pretty much instantly calls with .

With two diamonds on the flop and a third on the river, I went out.

To start with this is not another bad beat story although at the time I was pissed off and told him it was a horrible call. But with a 30min train journey on the way home to think about it I started to think that maybe it wasn't so bad a call on his part.

From his point of view he has a nice stack and tried a steal. Once I had re-raised all-in, he was getting about 3:1 to call the 700.This would leave him with just over 2000 if he lost the pot. Once the cards were turned over he
had about a 30% chance of winning so he was pretty much getting the odds to call in the end.

Again from his point a view, with my M so low I could be pushing with a wide range of hands so maybe he thought his King high at that point might be good. But then if he thought that, then there is aot of risk in raising my blind as he might have to gamble and end up seeing my whole 1450 with his poor holding(which is what happened), if that makes sense!

So my questions are, was it a fair call on his part? and what sort of odds do you think you need to make similar all-in calls with below marginal holdings?

Thanks.
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Old 11-13-2006, 12:27 PM
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hey i think he's actually a member of this forum........lol
i wont post the pic this time
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Old 11-14-2006, 11:19 AM
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he calls anything, he raised early with a crap hand which shows the type of player he is, you win this hand +ev so your bashing +ev....he just hit a dream flop which only happens to donks like this...tough beat, get over and move to the next one
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Old 11-14-2006, 11:35 AM
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he calls anything, he raised early with a crap hand which shows the type of player he is, you win this hand +ev so your bashing +ev....he just hit a dream flop which only happens to donks like this...tough beat, get over and move to the next one
He made a steal attempt from Cutoff when it folded round to him and he has a reasonable stack. He then called an all in with 3-1 odds. Kind of standard play (not by me but by many players).
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:42 PM
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duh he was in the cut off, i suck...i didnt have my visual aid with me
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:35 AM
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It's a an okey play by CO. I wouldn't steal very liberally with you being so short though.
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Old 11-15-2006, 05:56 AM
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Thanks people for your comments.

I think 'Porg' makes a good point...not sure I would be so quick to steal knowing that the short stack could make a stand any time with a range of hands.

'WotaWaster'......Do you think 3-1 is good enough odds for most people to call in his situation with any high card and junk?
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:28 PM
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Nothing much you can do about this hand. Your raise is barely double his steal raise, so you cant expect him to fold PF (He might figure 2 live cards). Your other option is flat call PF, then push the flop no matter what comes. Seeing as he flopped a flush draw, he wont fold here either, so you are always losing this hand.
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