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Old 11-09-2006, 04:58 AM
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Default Should have went with my gut....

I even said to my buddy who was watching the hand "watch him have XX." Unfortunately he did.

The villain in this hand seems like a really solid player. 3 or 4 hands before this one he claims to have laid down QQ on a board of 568 when I check raised him. On that hand I had A5 and (stupid me) I showed him the bluff.

Then comes this hand. My gut was telling me to fold but somehow I still managed to talk myself into the call. I figured he could have a set of 5s/7s and maybe KQ (although unlikely the way the flop and turn played out.)





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UTG ($25.05)
UTG+1 ($29.90)
MP1 ($60.85)
MP2 ($51.60)
Hero ($106.20)
CO ($67.20)
Button ($35.15)
SB ($78.50)
BB ($49.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($3.75) (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($3.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $8, Hero raises to $16, CO raises to $65.7, Hero calls $49.70.

Final Pot: $135.15

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Ts (three of a kind, tens).
CO has Js Ad (straight, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins $135.15.
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:54 AM
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That s a cooler. If he was really solid I probably would have just called the reraise, saw what he had. That sucks though
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:17 AM
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Hey there, new to the site(great forum by the way!) just thought I would offer my opinion(for what its worth! )......

The raise pre-flop is obviously showing strength and then with a ragged and rainbow flop with only one card higher than your 10 I would definitely come out betting(roughly $2.50-$3.00) to try and take the pot there and then.

The King on the turn is not a good card and being out of position throghout makes it even harder but by making the bet on the flop you would have more info about the hand to go by, by now.

The river looks a great card, looking back through the hand there is only really a couple of possibilities that he could have that would make him re-raise you twice....... 55/ 77/ AJ. As you say I dont think the villian would have had KQ or AQ as he would have proberly raised after the flop. And QQ most times would have reraised preflop.

As I say I think I would have bet on the flop but as the hand played out it would have been very hard to get away from once the ten hit.

One thing though, what sort of read do you think he had on you? I know you showed that one bluff, but apart from that how had you been playing up to this point? You had him down as a solid player, if you had been playing TA and HE had you as solid also then after his second re-raise (with these thoughts in mind)it MAY have been easier to get away from as AJ fits the sudden 'panic' raising on the end.

Very hard to fold though, unlucky man.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:21 AM
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Very tough river. Against a rock I think you have to either flat call the raise or fold to the all-in (I'd be more likely to flat call the raise, if I do reraise I'm not folding to the all-in). Since there was no flop or turn action both AJ and J9 are possible.

I am surprised you didn't bet flop actually - any reason?
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:03 AM
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I bet the flop (how much you bet here Wota?) check the turn and go broke on the river
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:06 AM
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Very tough river. Against a rock I think you have to either flat call the raise or fold to the all-in (I'd be more likely to flat call the raise, if I do reraise I'm not folding to the all-in). Since there was no flop or turn action both AJ and J9 are possible.

I am surprised you didn't bet flop actually - any reason?
2 reasons....I was just trying to mix things up a little and I was afraid of the villain coming over the top of me on the flop (which he could easily do with something or nothing.) I was looking to check the flop and then bet the turn but the K killed that plan. I was done with the hand and hoping to check it down until the T came on the river.
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:08 AM
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One thing though, what sort of read do you think he had on you? I know you showed that one bluff, but apart from that how had you been playing up to this point?
If he's been paying attention, he's probably noticed that I'm incredibly aggressive, capable of raising any 2 cards from any position.
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Old 11-09-2006, 08:22 PM
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I bet $2.50 - $3 on flop. If he calls that I can then pretty much rule out AJ on the river unless he's a total donk in which case I am happy to pay him off, as he will play be all in on the river with any set or 2 pair.
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Old 11-10-2006, 02:17 AM
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bet that flop for $2.00 - $3.00...
i have no idea why you didnt bet the flop or the turn, when your fold equity was highest.. whats the point of raising pf if your going to do that?

in any case, river should be flat called... you gave ur opponent way too many free cards and that river just put the straight on the board, thus making your set a marginal hand.. it is a BIG mistake to 3-bet that river like that.

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Old 11-10-2006, 02:24 AM
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2 reasons....I was just trying to mix things up a little and I was afraid of the villain coming over the top of me on the flop (which he could easily do with something or nothing.) I was looking to check the flop and then bet the turn but the K killed that plan. I was done with the hand and hoping to check it down until the T came on the river.
1. no need to mix things up at a NL50 game
2. if he raises on that flop then u make an easy fold and just lose a small pot... no biggie.. if hes one to be raising with absolute junk on flops like that, then next time u have a better hand you will bust him easily.
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