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10-29-2006, 07:47 PM
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Chaser
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3 $50NL hands
1) http://www.pokerhand.org/?583118
This one was so strange, given the flop reraise, I put him on a set or two pair. I doubt anyone could have read this one.
2) http://www.pokerhand.org/?583119
Should I have been able to lay this down given that this is a straight heavy, and two pair heavy flop?
3) http://www.pokerhand.org/?583122
The turn check threw me off. I wasn't sure what he had, I put him on a pair of aces on the river. How should I have played this one?
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10-29-2006, 08:19 PM
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Mike McDermott
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hand 1:
these are always tough. imo a set/2pair shoves on this flop, so he cant have that. an overpair isnt calling the turn, i dunno, i might check, thats a terrible card for you.
hand 2: wtf are you doing thats a horrible flop for aces. you raised the TURN after he bet into you twice? weird... i dunno, thats an atrocious flop and hes not letting you keep the pot small (aces with that flop is a very very small pot hand) just muck it unless he plays crazy. i like your flop line, just smooth call and hope he slows down on the turn(like he will if he doesnt have much)
im not sure what he could have, but you are so far behind his range. sets, 2 pairs, straights, all over the place.
hand 3:
just call the river. not much you can beat is calling a raise, and thats not even that great of a board. he probably had hearts or QJ the way he played it but you have to call. good turn check, at least.
just looked at the results. man im good.
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10-30-2006, 01:46 PM
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Hand 1:
That 3rd club on the turn is enough to slow me down. The way villian played the hand out on the flop is usually representative of some type of big draw: quite possibly a A9 of clubs, or a A2 of clubs, 67 of clubs, 46 of clubs.. that sorta thing...I would probably check behind on the turn with the intention of flat calling the river. Checking behind is good cuz u induce a bet/bluff on the river from a weaker hand which would have otherwise folded to ur turn bet. However, I doubt this would have changed the outcome of the hand, you'd probably get stacked on river anyways cuz u have less then the potsize left in ur remaining stack. In any case, definately check behind on that turn if u were more deepstacked.
Hand 2:
That is an extremely nasty flop for aces. And its even worse that villian has come out leading. The flat call on the flop was good cuz you kept the pot small. In any case, I'd probably have villian on a set/2pair or a OESD or flush draw with that flop lead. Therefore, if a 9 comes on the turn, and villian continues leading into me, im dropping these aces. Raising when the 9 hit was a big mistake there, and im sure you knew that too, but just did it out of pure frustration. If a spade comes on the turn, and he leads, I re-evaluate the turn and may call depending on how big the bet is, because u now have the nut flush redraw. Same thing if a A hits, re-evaluate turn cuz now u have the nut full redraw. If anything else hits, I probably call a turn bet with the intention of folding to a river bet. If u have a hard time letting go AA postflop. You should pretend like you have AK on that flop, it will make it alot easier to fold.
Hand 3:
When that 3rd heart hit on the turn, you should be in check-fold mode because the way that flop played out, someone has got a flush draw.
You also have to learn to not raise with marginal hands on the river. 2pair is a very marginal hand on the river when theres a possible flush and straight on the board. That river should be an easy fold because not only are u beat to the flush, but if someone was calling you with an OESD (QJ), you are also beat.
Last edited by Eclipse86; 10-30-2006 at 01:52 PM.
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10-30-2006, 02:50 PM
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Hand #1
Pot's huge after the flop. 2 pair or a set are definitely shoving after you give that action on the flop. It's bad luck, but I'd check behind and call the river just because there's the possibility he doesn't play well 3-handed and played a pair of tens lightly. 46 and AJ floats this flop a lot, so I'd call $15 on the river.
Hand #2
That's a worse flop for Aces than KKQ. You can't beat anything that calls a playback. Calling the flop's standard, but you picked the worst turn in the world to raise.
Why doesn't the straight scare him? Your raise has no value at all because no worse hands are calling and you're fold equity's so minimal. This is huge bet that means business. Muck it and cuss the fucker out.
Hand #3
Good raise on the flop. But realize that the only hand you beat are the straight and flush draws, so when those hit, you've gotta back off. Couple in that you saw the turn 3-way and that's bad news. Check behind prepared to fold the river.
That's a river you can't get away from. He just came out and bet the pot which just sucks, but you gotta call getting 2:1 on the call.
Absolutely brutal raise. This is like your turn raise in Hand #2. Nothing you beat is calling and here, you have a hand that could be best.
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10-30-2006, 03:16 PM
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Stu Ungar
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Very good comments
I like how you represent a jack in hand #2. However the holecards dont matter here, 72o would do the trick as well. But prolly you dont have enough FE on the river
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10-30-2006, 08:45 PM
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Chaser
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part deux
Thank you for the comments, I think that you are dead on. I have been playing shitty for at least a week now, and I am getting frustrated. I tried to keep that in mind during the hands below. No dumb reraises in large multiway pots, no trying to represent hands that my opponents probably have, and trying to know when I am beat.
1) http://www.pokerhand.org/?584977
I had tptk, but given my stupid reraising patterns, I decided to fold. This was just too big a reraise for me to justify calling/raising. It seemed like he had at least two pair if not trips, or he called with 45 and made a straight, which is more possible than I would like.
2) http://www.pokerhand.org/?584985
Again with the TPTK, but crazywino was a bit nuts, and i fucking hate short stacks and make it my mission to bust everyone of them. wtf, who calls a raise with 84s.
3) http://www.pokerhand.org/?584992
I was pretending to be loose agressive. I think this move would have worked in a higher stakes game, but it sure as hell did here. I should have just checked the flop.
4) http://www.pokerhand.org/?584988
I just thought that this one was funny.
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10-30-2006, 09:54 PM
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Mike McDermott
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999 correct play imo
If he has a flush, tough shit. I don't think you should check/fold turn. Good play on flop, maybe jack it up to 18 instead of 15.
AA awful play, wtf are you thinking. Flop check call is okey imo. However when every single draw hits you should check fold. Like what can you beat on this turn?
AT wtf? Muck this UTG, don't min raise! River is the worst part of your play. First of all you should call instead of raise imo (mainly b/c you dont want them to re pop you). Once this guy re raises you have like 20% chance of beating him. You can only beat a bluff or idiot.
very poorly played overall. Im guessing you lost all 3. had #1 I can understand, however 2 and 3 are poor imo.
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10-30-2006, 10:02 PM
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Mike McDermott
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part 2;
I like how you play AK. Very well imo. I hate these raises on turn. From my experience you are beat. Think about this; if your RR your just hoping you beat him. If you call, he will prolly fire river after you check. Nice fold.
AK, once again played well. I like getting all your money in on this flop. Only a fool will have a 4. Chances are weaker ace. Today i had same scenario and lost to set, oh well.
QQ I check fold this flop. 1/2 bet is bad. bet like 80% or 20%. I'm a weak pussy so i don't even bother playing this post flop. Only a loose mofo would call this flop w/ drawing hand imo. Fold
78 perfect played
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10-31-2006, 12:20 AM
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gder,
His AT was a PLHE hand with 2 deadblinds of 0.25, so his PF raise was 4x. 4-handed, I'm raising there UTG about 80% of the time and folding 25% of time depending on my recent aggression.
Part Deux:
Hand #1:
Nothing else you could really do here. Pretty standard across the board.
Hand #2:
Standard again. No reason to think that you don't have the best hand here. I go broke to this flop with AK every time.
Hand #3:
I see no problem with checking this down and making the tough decisions as they come. If you have him beat, that flop scares him more than you. This isn't a stake-level thing. Checking the flop helps an aggressive game because it shows that you're capable of checking OOP with the lead.
Hand #4:
See Hand #1 response.
By the way, you game's improved 10-fold since you registered here.
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Originally Posted by FaDi
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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10-31-2006, 03:05 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Part 2, 1-3: see gder/alex
Part 2, 4: I'm not raising this river. Just call any bets/raises. There isn't much we can beat, a slow-played overpair maybe.
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