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    Live 100$ MTT

    I'm 2nd in chips with 68K
    UTG+1 is chip leader (slightly over but IM not eve sure if I'm not the CL at that time)

    UTG+1: Pretty loose player, play a lot of weak A OOP and call raises with it, he slow play a lot, you know a donk!! Also, he always make a small probe blocking bet when he hit a draw OOP. Last time he did that I rerased All in with AK on a 678 flop... He tought and flip A9 up... He's really predictable

    Blinds are 1500/3000
    9 handed

    UTG Limps
    I call with AcJc
    SB completes
    BB check

    Flop
    Jh 8h 3h

    Blinds check
    He bets 3000

    SB remov is card protector and play with his card and BB show no onterest at all lookinfor the waitress... so the dont have the flush!

    I raise to 18K
    Blinds flod
    He calls

    I'm now almost sure he has the Ah

    Turn As
    And he looks pretty happy with that card and checks

    I now have 2 options. I know he will lead the river nomather what the card is and I also know he will call here if I push. He's probably drawing dead to a heart or maybe an 8 or a 4... he may have A8 or A4 with the A of heart.

    What to do?

    Push and hope my hand stays good
    or
    Check back and reraise any bet on the river if a non heart card comes. The only downside here is if I'm wrong, he can push me out of that pot if a heart shows even if he dont have it.

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    This is 5-handed right. I'm raising pf w/ AJ. Play it like you did on the flop. What is his stack on the turn? I might just put him all-in or go all-in myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagonirix View Post
    This is 4-handed right. I'm raising pf w/ AJ. Play it like you did on the flop. What is his stack on the turn? I might just put him all-in or go all-in myself.
    Not saying your not right but I just want to explain why I did'nt raise PF.

    1st there's 2-3 mid stacks to act and I dont want to have a tough decision to take if one of them go all in.

    2nd I know UTG+1 will call 90% of the time and I dont want to play a big pot with a marginal holding.

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagonirix View Post
    This is 5-handed right. I'm raising pf w/ AJ. Play it like you did on the flop. What is his stack on the turn? I might just put him all-in or go all-in myself.
    Oh BTW it's 9 handed...

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    That changes everything. After he just called a big reraise down on the flop, I would check the turn and river to see what he does(You said he likes to slowplay right). If he bets enough for me to stay in(pot odds to make a boat) i will.
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    What's in the pot? How much did he have left and how much did you?
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    As I daid in the post

    I have 68K
    He covers me (h'es yhe only one that covers me at the table)

    there is 12K in the pot
    He bets 3K
    I raise to 18K total

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I can see you are that you are trusting your read here. Lets say for arguments sake your read is correct. You know he will catch 1/4 of the time and he will call your all in.

    On the flip side he may already have the made flush. He definately has something and is not going away.

    If you put a bet in on the turn he may check raise you and pot commit you to the hand. If you check the turn he may bluff the river whatever comes.

    As I make it the pot should be $48k and you have $44k left. This means the next bet you amke commits you to the pot.

    If you check the turn and a heart comes you can get away from this. If he has the flush already and a heart doesn't come I don't think you can get away. If an A or J comes then you have it.

    I personally check the turn and evaluate your opponent after the river card and his actions. You have position on him and you don't wanna go broke. I recon you have a 1/3 chance he has a made flush or will make it on the river. But you only go broke if he already has it if you check the turn. If you move all in you go broke if he makes his hand and you don't make your boat.
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    Even with no antes, raise PF to around 10-11k. Isolate him. You probably have the best hand out of the 4. You NEED to raise AJ here. I really don't like the rationale behind not raising the best hand when the best hand is vulnerable.

    But there's 12k in the pot on the flop. He bets 3k. You made a large raise instead of a small raise to 9k, which I'd've done. The large raise told him that you were committed to the pot and you are going to the felt with this hand when there's 50k in the middle and only around 40k behind you. If that doesn't convince you, the Ace on the turn is an automatic all-in. Honestly, either raise is fine. In these lo-M situations, pot control goes out the window when you hit flop top pair with a Broadway kicker.

    If he has a flush, your going broke here no matter what you raised on the flop. But there are enough hands that you beat that will call you along with the dead money to make an all-in on the turn a winning play.
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    Well... I went all in on turn! But I think it was a bad choice... he indeed called the Ah with a 2 kicker!!!!!!!

    Heart hit the river and agter the chip count I realized I was out of this in 9th position wich was only 200$...

    If I check the turn here and can fold the river!

    Too bad...

    That fish went all the way and won the tournament. Winning almost every coinflip situations and pulling out afew bad beats on his way!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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