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  1. #1
    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Default Bad tourney push?

    It looks donkish in retrospect. Main reasons for pushing were

    1) It was a $4 buyin MTT, so MP1 could have a variety of hands. UTG has at best a low PP or some random junk, so I'm not afraid of him calling. I'm not even sure I saw him limping when making the move.
    2) Button just called and did not reraise

    Anyways how would you play it? Just call for set value?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button (t3265)
    Hero (t2310)
    BB (t8145)
    UTG (t1735)
    UTG+1 (t3310)
    MP1 (t995)
    MP2 (t2160)
    MP3 (t6390)
    CO (t1260)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
    UTG calls t50, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t250, 3 folds, Button calls t250, Hero raises to t2310, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 calls t745 (All-In), Button calls t2060.

    Flop: (t5715) Q, T, 6 (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t5715) J (3 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t5715) T (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t5715

    Results in white below:
    Hero has JavaScript Jd (full house, jacks full of tens).
    MP1 has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and tens).
    Button has Ad As (two pair, aces and tens).
    Outcome: Hero wins t5715.

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    I dont know, i'm kinda split in this on one hand Mp1 is basically begging you to reraise him all in when he raises that much preflop with his stack, i really dont like going all in with JJ, the only thing that matters is if you would not have reraised and just called and then at the flop MP1 and the other guy went all in, would you have called?

    btw, according to poker stove, you were a 10% chance to win on the flop
    Last edited by FaDi; 10-24-2006 at 02:55 PM.

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    I would've done the same thing. Now this is a bad push.

    Poker Stars
    No Limit Holdem Tournament
    Blinds: t75/t150
    9 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: t4137
    UTG+1: t7303
    MP1: t1325
    Bagonirix: t3975
    MP3: t8939
    CO: t6531
    Button: t1300
    SB: t5075
    BB: t3980

    Pre-flop: (9 players) Bagonirix is MP2 with
    UTG calls t150 (pot was t225), 2 folds, Bagonirix raises to t600, 5 folds, UTG calls t450 (pot was t975).

    Flop: (t1425, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Bagonirix bets t900, UTG calls t900 (pot was t2325).

    Turn: (t3225, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Bagonirix is all-in t2475, UTG calls t2475 (pot was t5700).

    River: (t8175, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8175)


    Results:
    Final pot: t8175
    Bagonirix showed Ac Kh
    UTG showed 6d 6h
    idkmybffjill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
    I dont know, i'm kinda split in this on one hand Mp1 is basically begging you to reraise him all in when he raises that much preflop with his stack, i really dont like going all in with JJ, the only thing that matters is if you would not have reraised and just called and then at the flop MP1 and the other guy went all in, would you have called?
    Without a set, very unlikely. I'd give one of them credit for beating me, whether with an overpair or set. Except if the flop is exactly 89T then maybe yes

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    I just dont like going all in with JJ, unless your a shortstack, and with the blinds at 50, and your chip at 2300, thats 46bb. But in the end it all worked out for you, so it doesnt matter what i say. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagonirix View Post
    I would've done the same thing. Now this is a bad push.
    Pretty similar to a push I made today, ended up not getting a king or ace too and lost. However I wonder how these donkeys know that you have exactly AK and not TT-AA, let alone top pair.

    Once you start (c-)betting with AK, you're pretty much pot-committed. I intend to check it much more in the future. Those limp-callers too often have a PP in the hole and might not be afraid to go all the way with it.
    Last edited by OrionPro; 10-24-2006 at 03:12 PM.

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