On the flop the pot was $6.20 so crazyjew1's bet of $1 was giving you 7.2-1 to call with an ISSD and 2 overs = 10 outs @ 3.6-1 for 1 draw or 1.6-1 for 2 draws. Your are defenately priced in here. With Matimbo's call you got 8.2-1 for your call. Bet was so small it looks like a blocking (defensive/probe) bet for a str8 or flush draw.

On the turn you now have top pair but a str8 is also possible so caution is called for. Pot was worth $10.20 so crazy's bet of $4 was giving you 3.55 - 1 odds (if Matimbo calls you are getting 4.55 - 1 for your call but if he re-raises you'r now looking at reversed implied odds and most likely a made str8 - he folds so that's all she wrote on that!). Given that you have TPTK and still have 9 outs to improve $4 seems to price you in again. Crazy's c-bet on the turn is certain more aggressive but not overly so. There's no reason to put him on trips with this bet since both a flush and str8 draw are apparent - he should be pricing you out of the pot! I would still put him on a draw; a paired Q and possibly 2 pair if he's loose enough to call a pf raise with any 2 broadway cards; or possibly JJ which would explain the probe/defensive bets. Odds-wise I think you have to call unless you can put him on a made str8.

River - good card for you if he was on 2 pair or JJ. Crazy bets $10 into a $18.20 pot. 1st protective bet he's made but too late if protection was on his mind so locically this has to viewed as a vaue bet but you have 2 pair and most hold'em hands are won with 2 pair - you have to call.
His bets were not defensive or probing as it turns out but suck-a-long bets designed to keep you in the pot! Very risky given the flush and str8 draws out there to beat 3-of-a-kind! This guy has FPS and will pay severally over the long run.

I don't see you getting away from this hand with the bets/odds he was giving you. Had you connceted with a J you would have proven the stupidity of slowplaying the trip Ts. Suck-a-long betting backfire in the long run and while you missed getting a better hand this time playing the odds does pay off. I would say crazy made more mistakes than you did and just got lucky enough to keep from paying for them!

Originally Posted by DaFish

Good analysis Aces- just a small addon about the outs

10 outs is correct but I'd look at it differently-

3 safe outs to the nuts
7 unsafe outs, that could give someone else a lock/hand that beats us, or which aren't even outs in the first place.

The main reason for me to call would be to hit the nut straight. If the price were just a little higher, say $2-$3, I think it's a clear fold.

Subtracting the diamond outs is a consideration since it looks like crazy was putting out a blocking bet but that still leaves 7 non-diamond outs for 5.6-1 draw odds. I'm not so sure how you're getting 7 unsafe outs! Once the board pairs there's always the chance of a full-house or trips and in this hand the trips were hidden from the flop on but that doesn't interfer with calculating your draw odds and wheather you can call or not. Certainly (and this HH is a good example), you have to be aware of getting a draw for 2nd best hand such as making the str8 but the card also makes for a flush! Perhaps you could explain your '7 unsafe' assumptions a bit further?

Raise the flop. You could have the best hand and he'll fold a lot of pocket pairs that he'll bet weak with. He has to re-raise you with a hand because of the diamonds and you'll know you're beat at a lot cheaper price than you found out in the end.

Raising the flop is a good way to see an Ace or King are good for you with this flop.

Originally Posted by Jen-Jen The Enjen

Raise the flop. You could have the best hand and he'll fold a lot of pocket pairs that he'll bet weak with. He has to re-raise you with a hand because of the diamonds and you'll know you're beat at a lot cheaper price than you found out in the end.

Raising the flop is a good way to see an Ace or King are good for you with this flop.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Please! Please! Pleeeeeeeease, raise this flop. Raise it to $3.50. Raise it to $4. I'd raise it to $5 in this game. If you're not willing to do that, fold and wait to flop quad aces with AA.

Originally Posted by DaFish

Raising looks like a very good idea... but here's 3 opponents and we're not last to act

Well, the preflop raise does suck in early position in a $50 game. Raise to $2.

The 3 behind me are let us know if we have 10 outs or 3 outs. When a guy makes that weak lead when we're on a draw, we need him to define his hand before we can definie ours or we'll spend more on later streets should we hit our hand than we'll spend finding out on the flop. This is a draw heavy board where we will NEED to discount outs to save money or make the correct value plays. There's $7 in the pot right now. Raising to $4 definitely saves us money with the information we get to discount outs.