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    River Rat shalesey_boy's Avatar
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    Default Did I play it well?

    MP3 is loose agressive and throwing chips about. I've raised him out of a few pots. Its a $33 deep stacks on pstars. Which i'm still playing. Hand occured early on.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t4165)
    MP2 (t4595)
    MP3 (t7115)
    shalesey_boy (t3910)
    Button (t3965)
    SB (t4940)
    BB (t5590)
    UTG (t5130)
    UTG+1 (t5570)

    Preflop: shalesey_boy is CO with 9, 9.
    2 folds, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, shalesey_boy raises to t150, 3 folds, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, MP3 calls t120.

    Flop: (t645) T, 9, K (4 players)
    MP1 checks, MP2 bets t150, MP3 calls t150, shalesey_boy calls t150, MP1 folds.

    Turn: (t1095) K (3 players)
    MP2 bets t150, MP3 calls t150, shalesey_boy raises to t600, MP2 calls t450, MP3 calls t450.

    River: (t2895) J (3 players)
    MP2 checks, MP3 bets t570, shalesey_boy raises to t2000, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t1430.

    Final Pot: t6895

    Results in white below:
    MP3 has Ac JavaScript (two pair, kings and jacks).
    shalesey_boy has 9c 9d (full house, nines full of kings).
    Outcome: shalesey_boy wins t6895.
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    I raise the flop, I don't want anyone catching a spade on me. Also, with so many limpers pre-flop I'm inclined to just limp along with them for set value.
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    Wow. He played the hand worse than Dimitri Nobles. And that's really tough...

    Calling with AJ in that spot is just ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakTight
    I raise the flop, I don't want anyone catching a spade on me. Also, with so many limpers pre-flop I'm inclined to just limp along with them for set value.
    I see what your saying but I figured one of these for the made flush and didn't want to push the pot size too high too fast. If I keep it low and the board pairs I can take the made flush for all his stack. It's early on and I haven't got that many chips invested in the pot. I'd rather make the boat than lose a large portion of my chips to a flush.

    As for raising pre flop, I like to raise with mid pocket pairs pre flop when i'm this deep stacked. It masks your hand and allows you to steal if an ace hits by representing a big ace.
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    Pretty standard. You're deep stacked, so no reason to build a pot and have to laydown the best hand on the flop. I've had a ton of hands like this is the deep stacks and you approached it perfectly postflop, IMO. Your value betting was spot on, too.

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    I have to agree with WT here. I know alex owns my ass but...I tag along PF for 30. With so many limpers you got your implied odds to play your 99. On the flop, I'm raising to 600 and throw a fit if a spade falls on the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    Pretty standard. You're deep stacked, so no reason to build a pot and have to laydown the best hand on the flop. I've had a ton of hands like this is the deep stacks and you approached it perfectly postflop, IMO. Your value betting was spot on, too.

    vnh.
    I was hoping you would say that. I'm trying to loosen up my starting hands and play them more agressively to build my stack early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1
    I have to agree with WT here. I know alex owns my ass but...I tag along PF for 30. With so many limpers you got your implied odds to play your 99. On the flop, I'm raising to 600 and throw a fit if a spade falls on the turn.
    I'm not a big fan of the PF raise either. This early in the tournament, the idiots can't fold. Unlike the other tournaments, you build your stack early in these deep stacks with postflop value betting, not PF aggression because people don't fold. Your PF raise was nothing more than a pot sweetener, but you didn't go nuts on the flop and got a cheap draw because of it. Raising the flop leaves 3 results:

    1.) You get knocked off what is the best hand most of the time because you can't stand a 3rd raise.

    2.) You build the pot for a bigger stop n' go on the turn that you can't call even though you probably have the best hand. This is counter-intuitive to the reason for raising which is building the pot for when you get your free rivered full house or free showdown with no improvement.

    3.) Everyone folds and you take the pot. But this is gonna be very expensive to do and you'll commit a lot of chips doing so. I've played the $1 deep stack, a few $11's, $22's, and $33's. All share the same thing in common for the first 3 hours- nobody folds.

    A monster PF raise to 200+ would've been effective to take a lot of pots on the flop. But again, there's no reason to commit that many chips before the flop without Aces or Kings. But unless you're a complete moron, you're not gonna hurt yourself in the first couple of hours of this tournament before the flop.
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    I'm tight agressive pre flop and mainly agressive post flop. I'm finding it difficult to build large chip stacks when I don't get the cards.

    I play better with a larger stack as I feel I can outplay my opponents post flop unless they are a complete unreadable donkey. I play well against players and poor against the donks.

    As you say no one folds early on and the donks will chase cards all day. What do you feel is the best way to build stacks early?

    What do you think to playing a lot of medium to weak hands in late position to try pick up some monstors and break the donks?
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    Learn to understand and apply the Gap Concept. It's all you need to build a stack. Best thing to keep in mind is that your opponents probably know about the Concept, but never apply it, so the assumptions that someone calling your UTG raise MUST be strong is usually bullshit and so on.
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