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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1565)
Hero (t7530)
MP2 (t5700)
CO (t1285)
Button (t2745)
SB (t1130)
BB (t545)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
UTG calls t100, UTG+1 raises to t400, Hero raises to t1700, 5 folds, UTG calls t1380 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t1165 (All-In).

Flop: (t4895) 9, T, 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t4895) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4895) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4895

Results in white below:
UTG has 2h Ah (straight, five high).
UTG+1 has Ts Ad (one pair, tens).
Hero has As Ks (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG wins t4590. UTG+1 wins t170. Hero wins t135.

It's early and the blinds are creeping up. I say it's push or fold. You're getting no action if you hit your hand on the flop. I don't think you have fold% with a PF push, but you could have the best hand. With AK, you wanna see 5 cards if you don't take it down PF. You lose the hand, you hop in the next one.

I haven't looked at the results but UTG is a retard no matter what he had. If he had Aces or Kings, he's a retard for limping UTG at this stage and those are the only hands that he can call this all in with nothing invested in the pot. If he doesn't have Aces or Kings, he's a super-retard. That's an easy fold for QQ or AK in his spot.

Is this a big MTT? 180man? or smaller SnG?

180man.

So instead of betting enough to just make them push/fold...I should just push?

I had an M of about 50...

Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1

180man.

So instead of betting enough to just make them push/fold...I should just push?

I had an M of about 50...

Because of UTG and UTG+1's stack, yeah, but your bet was pretty much the same thing. You told the 2 playable stacks behind you that if they tried to re-steal, they were dead money. You had a ton of chips and forced anyone besides to UTG+1 to have AA or KK.

What I'm saying is that you pushed without moving the slider the bar all the way because everyone knew that you weren't folding.

I don't see folding as a bad move here either. I fold AK preflop a lot with nothing invested in the pot when I know I have no fold% because I can pick up chips postflop in small amounts where I KNOW I will win the pot without showdown. Letting the idiots hang themselves is a winning play early in an MTT with a lot of chips.

So would just smoothing or folding been my best bet here?

Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1

So would just smoothing or folding been my best bet here?

No. I like the raise. You've committed the whole table's stacks with your raise so it's almost equivalent to a push relative to the other stacks here. I still haven't seen the results and I'm guessing that Ace high wasn't good in the end. I'd put UTG on 22-66, A2-A8, K9-KQ, QJ, or JT and UTG+1 could really have anything from AA-88, AK-A9, or KQ. You wanted to take UTG out of the hand and UTG+1 has to fold some of those hands.

Those 2 ranges together against your AK to this raggedy board and you probably lost a small amount. I'd fold if UTG+1 was deeper, maybe. No way you can expect UTG to call. He has to fold everything but AA and KK there as does everyone behind you.

Regarding folding in your spot, I wouldn't call it a weak fold. It'd just be conservative because you have no fold% on UTG+1, but you could have the best hand enough times to make this a profitable iso-"push" as you're an 11:9 dog against ~45 combos, 7:3 dog against only 3, a 19:1 dog against only 3, but a 3:1 fav against about ~70. Nothing wrong with not wanting to commit 20% of your huge stack this early PF without AA or KK either is all I'm saying.

Yeah I was against A2 & AT. I was shocked by the calls but didn't know if my PF play was at fault.