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    PokerForums God the alex's Avatar
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    Default Critique This Hand Please Pt. II

    Villian is just a complete donkey. He bets a lot, but has no fold button most of the time or else preflop is an auto-repop knowing his range. SB was no worry. When he checked, he was always folding.

    What do you think of the hand?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    Hero (t16008)
    MP3 (t77084)
    CO (t20261)
    Button (t59404)
    SB (t45950)
    BB (t15776)
    UTG (t32905)
    UTG+1 (t4455)
    MP1 (t7602)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
    UTG raises to t900, 2 folds, Hero calls t900, 3 folds, SB calls t750, 1 fold.

    Flop: (t2670) 5, 3, 2 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG bets t600, Hero raises to t3013, SB folds, UTG calls t2413.

    Turn: (t8696) K (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks.

    River: (t8696) 9 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks.

    Final Pot: t8696
    Last edited by the alex; 09-08-2006 at 01:02 AM.
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    The guy is a donkey who likes to bet and that's the read you had when playing the hand, right?

    I guess you're calling preflop to let him take the initiative? I prefer raising since he doesn't like the fold button.

    I like the flop raise.

    I guess the turn is fine if you're willing to call if UTG takes a stab on the turn. Considering your description he's very likely to take a stab at the pot when you check behind here.

    I don't understand the check here. An aggressive opponent is not very likely to check something you beat at this point, especially after your check on the turn. I do think he's very capable of calling with a worse hand if you bet though, a medium pocket pair or even something as weak as A5 or similair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porg
    I guess you're calling preflop to let him take the initiative? I prefer raising since he doesn't like the fold button.
    I didn't want to re-raise because he has no fold button. Re-raising makes the pot bigger and 30 minute blind levels allow for a lot of play. I also didn't want him to wake up with a hand and come over the top because I would've had to fold. I heavily considered re-raising, though. Trust me.

    [QUOTE}I guess the turn is fine if you're willing to call if UTG takes a stab on the turn. Considering your description he's very likely to take a stab at the pot when you check behind here.[/QUOTE]

    The turn would've depended on his bet. I was pretty confused after he checked after leading and callign the flop.

    I don't understand the check here. An aggressive opponent is not very likely to check something you beat at this point, especially after your check on the turn. I do think he's very capable of calling with a worse hand if you bet though, a medium pocket pair or even something as weak as A5 or similair.
    I don't see any reason to bet here. There was 9k in the pot and 15k in my stack. I figured that this was a spot where I had the best hand or I didn't but I was unsure. What do I bet here? Not being patronizing because I considered it and couldn't come up with a price. I was pretty baffled through the hand.
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    This is what I meant;

    I guess the turn is fine if you're willing to call if UTG takes a stab on the river. Considering your description he's very likely to take a stab at the pot when you check behind here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porg
    This is what I meant;

    I guess the turn is fine if you're willing to call if UTG takes a stab on the river. Considering your description he's very likely to take a stab at the pot when you check behind here.
    Yeah. I was so confused. I didn't know what the hell I was doing if he bet either street, in all honesty.
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    I probably bet 1/2-pot on the turn, and push the river.

    Why? No idea, it's just what I would do, lol. I smell a big A or a pair like 88 or 99.

    EDIT: Big A, nut flush draw. He's playing like he's on the draw. Lots of donks lead with their draws. I do sometimes, ha.
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    i think i play it the same.. except i probably bet about ~ 3Kish on the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    i think i play it the same.. except i probably bet about ~ 3Kish on the river.
    This was exactly what I wanted to bet on the river and it took me a while to check because after he checked (and keep in mind that I posted this hand at 1:19 AM and I'd been playing poker since 2:00 PM), I was just like "What the fuck?" because I checked the turn willing to call 4500 on the river and this was looking like a lower pocket pair.

    Considering that I was in this tournament until 1:30 PM, I'm happy that I checked. But he had A6o. He would've folded to a bet and I got some some great information there.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
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    I dont understand the river bet suggestion. We wont chase away any hands that beat us, and we wont get paid off either. It looks like he was on a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    I dont understand the river bet suggestion. We wont chase away any hands that beat us, and we wont get paid off either. It looks like he was on a draw.
    "Villian is just a complete donkey... "has no fold button"

    There's no way he's paying off with somehting worse here? He definitely doesn't have a hand that beats us so we can't really lose anything by betting.

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