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  1. #1
    Stu Ungar triple-t's Avatar
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    Default Bubble hand... Push, call, or fold?

    I'll start with the previous hand. At the start of this hand, I'm 20th out of 21 left in the $4 Stars 180 SnG. For those who don't know, 18 get paid. I hadn't seen a hand in the last 2 or 3 rounds...

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    UTG (t17901)
    MP1 (t6303)
    MP2 (t26917)
    CO (t19646)
    Hero (t3605)
    SB (t7806)
    BB (t18990)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    2 folds, MP2 calls t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t3555, 2 folds, MP2 calls t2955.

    Flop: (t8360) , , (2 players)

    Turn: (t8360) (2 players)

    River: (t8360) (2 players)

    Final Pot: t8360

    Results in white below:
    MP2 has Ks Qs (one pair, aces).
    Hero has Tc Ad (three of a kind, aces).
    Outcome: Hero wins t8360.


    I am now 15th out of 20 left. Very next hand...

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

    BB (t17851)
    UTG (t6253)
    MP1 (t23312)
    MP2 (t19596)
    Hero (t8360)
    Button (t7456)
    SB (t18340)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    1 fold, MP1 calls t600, MP2 raises to t3000
    Hero ?????

    So what do you do and why?

    My rationale for my action and results in white below:
    1. My M is around 6.7, so I am still very shortstacked... (favors push)
    2. I want to give myself the best chance of winning... (favors push)
    3. Only 2 more until the money... MP2 seems to be a decent and aware player. Being so close to the money and shortstacked, he should know I'm not pushing garbage. (favors push)
    4. I'm probably going to be a slight favorite or a huge favorite. (favors push to eliminate the other players)
    5. MP2 has already invested over 1/3 of my stack and only has to call a little more for the chance to knock me out. (favors fold)
    6. MP1 limped and may call MP2's raise (favors push or fold)
    7. MP2 might not want to risk 1/3 of his stack on a coinflip. (favors push)
    8. Even though I want to ITM, I would much prefer a Final Table appearance. (favors push)

    So I pushed. Everyone else folds, MP2 calls and has AK. King flops and I'm out in 20th place.
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    I thought we went over this last night<_<.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triple-t
    8. Even though I want to ITM, I would much prefer a Final Table appearance. (favors push)
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    Push for this reason.
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    mp2 is looking to get paid, hes looking to catch a big hand

    id say range him from 33-99
    a 10 <
    we push
    hes gonna call regardless

    note these are not result orineted

    at worst your a 4:1 dog
    or 4:1 favorite with cards needing to catch, i push this on the weekdays and twice on labor day

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    1st hand is an easy push.

    2nd hand, can't argue against pushing or folding. I'd push because I probably have the best hand. I'd fold because I have no fold equity and the only hand I'm not flipping a coin with are tens that I see him having to make this huge raise.

    I'm all about final table or bust, but for this reason, I hate going all-in with no fold equity holding a medium pair. I'm not saying that I've never done it, but i admit my donkery before and after I do it because I lose nothing by folding and there's a lot of poker to be played. I can afford to fold this because I open-raise PF so often that I drag enough pots to keep me around without playing a big pot in a case like this.

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    Last edited by the alex; 09-05-2006 at 02:25 PM.
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    agreed, 1st hand is easy push...

    i fold 2nd hand, i have no money committed to pot (other than ante), he's not raising 5x BB without TT-AA,AQ-AK, mayyyyybe AJs but doubtful. Frankly, I dont want to race right now...ESPECIALLY not willing to do so with no fold equity. that may be the biggest factor. I can't really argue AGAINST a push, but i'll do my best to argue for a fold.

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