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    Default Queens on the Button Facing a Raise- Early in an MTT

    MP3- hasn't been playing many hands, but there was a lot of loose limping because it was still so early. So, anything playable is pretty much raisable in his spot, IMO. He was following up his open-raises with CB's and taking down pots. I haven't seen any of his cards, but he hasn't been active either.

    SB- incredibly loose and played this obviously with only t506 left. I've just sucked out on her TP/K-kicker when I rivered a flush with a T8s where I flopped a pair and a heart draw.

    BB- was sitting out until about 5 hands before this. He was already sitting out when I hit the table about 30 minutes before, so I'm guessing he doubled up early and sat out a couple of levels.

    Basically, the table saw me raise PF with T8s in the SB, call a min. re-raise, call 2/3 the pot with second pair/flush draw, check the turn, and push all of my money in when I hit my flush- massively overbetting the pot.

    I'm going to follow up on this because there is another question. I'll probably update this tomorrow.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t2135)
    MP2 (t2708)
    MP3 (t2990)
    CO (t1801)
    Hero (t4510)
    SB (t506)
    BB (t1900)
    UTG (t1600)
    UTG+1 (t1860)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
    4 folds, MP3 raises to t300, 1 fold, Hero _______________ ???
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    I just call here. I'm sure you are comfortable outplaying these guys post-flop from the button. If no A or K hits the flop, you still stand to make some money as he will likely c-bet and you can find out exactly where you are on the flop. If A/K hits flop (assuming no set for you), then you can proceed cautiously and manage the pot size.

    Also, SB still has enough chips where if he goes all in and MP3 calls, you are still allowed to reraise if you want to push into a larger pot.

    Reraising right away might not win the pot, after getting caught raising T8 earlier. If MP3 has any kind of hand he will see the flop and you are building a bigger pot than necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ypsieast
    I just call here. I'm sure you are comfortable outplaying these guys post-flop from the button. If no A or K hits the flop, you still stand to make some money as he will likely c-bet and you can find out exactly where you are on the flop. If A/K hits flop (assuming no set for you), then you can proceed cautiously and manage the pot size.

    Also, SB still has enough chips where if he goes all in and MP3 calls, you are still allowed to reraise if you want to push into a larger pot.

    Reraising right away might not win the pot, after getting caught raising T8 earlier. If MP3 has any kind of hand he will see the flop and you are building a bigger pot than necessary.
    *nods in agreeance*
    'Nuff said.

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    I was in a situation very similar to this. I had QQ and the positions were very similar and a tight player raised before the flop and I reraised. He pushed. I had to call with QQ I thought. I was actually hoping he would push with 99 or TT. Well he had KK.

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    Raising T8s from SB (I assume folded round) is pretty standard and pushing all in with a flush is also not going to make me think somone is a maniac/bluffer. So I don't think your table image is going to be wild.

    I call and play for trips or board of undercards. Obviously you will need to be able to get away from the hand sometimes even when no A or K flops (especially if several callers), but I feel a reraise is only getting action if you are beat (or at best vs AK and 54:46). Is winning those 450 worth risking losing all?
    Last edited by WotaWaster; 09-06-2006 at 08:39 AM.

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    I was on the same page. I hate playing big pots early, but I couldn't fold this on the button because this could become big. I raise to isolate and I'm forced into a big pot or MP3 comes over the top and I'm forced to lay down and I've just gained a lot of chips. If I just call, this is looking like a mulitiway pot with iffy implied odds because I'm not really calling the 300, I'm calling the 506. I'm not calling 300 and then 206 if I elect to stay conservative. Thinking that way would be donkey-limit-hold 'em talk.

    So, you still just calling here against these stacks? I know I have the best hand after these two just called. That's obvious, but I don't want a 4-way all in, either. I definitely wouldn't want MP3 to call and he was the original raiser or would I want him to call if you say that I should push this?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t2135)
    MP2 (t2708)
    MP3 (t2990)
    CO (t1801)
    Hero (t4510)
    SB (t506)
    BB (t1900)
    UTG (t1600)
    UTG+1 (t1860)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
    4 folds, MP3 raises to t300, 1 fold, Hero calls t300, SB raises to t506, BB calls t406, MP3 calls t206, Hero ____________ ???
    Last edited by the alex; 09-06-2006 at 11:14 AM.
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    I see this as a good result. BB just calls and then MP3 just calls with 1800 in the pot already. I can't put either of them on AA/KK. They would have had to reraise again, wouldn't they? Reraise all-in and put the screws to them.
    Worst case, one of them calls with AK and its a coin flip. And its very likely that there are a couple of aces in play, taking away an out or 2.
    With 2k in the pot already and little fear of AA/KK this looks like a good time to push and take a risk for a huge pot.
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