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    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Would you make this call? He was a strong player according to sharkscope, but no particular read on him, too early in the STT. Btw is it just me or do you guys also face so many river bluffs?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB (t1255)
    UTG (t1100)
    UTG+1 (t1420)
    Hero (t1365)
    MP2 (t1425)
    CO (t1255)
    Button (t4055)
    SB (t1625)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
    2 folds, Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, CO calls t120, 2 folds, BB calls t90.

    Flop: (t375) 2, 9, Q (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t300, CO folds, BB calls t300.

    Turn: (t975) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks.

    River: (t975) 9 (2 players)
    BB bets t835 (All-In), Hero calls t835.

    Final Pot: t2645

    Results in white below:
    BB has Ts Jh (one pair, nines).
    Hero has Ks Kd (two pair, kings and nines).
    Outcome: Hero wins t2645.

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    Of course I would call. If you didn't your stack would be short enough to where it wouldn't matter, anyways. You were committed.

    Besides, I tend to gamble more in the early stages of a tournament. Gotta make that early power move.

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    Not only I make that call, but I'm all in on turn.

    Like fish said you are commited. If this diamond helps him, you probably have a redraw, if not, he probably have a draw against you single pair. Make him pay for it.

    I see no reason to check that turn.

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I hate the check on the turn, Im all in there too.

    If he has 2 diamonds then we have a redraw to the 2nd nut flush and if has the Ace of diamonds and a lower diamond then so be it, he called a raise with AX suited, youll make money on this type of player.

    River could be a hard place to call with the 9 pairing the board, thats one of the worst cards for you, any 9 beats you now and he could of easily called with Pocket Queens.

    Push the turn all in, no questions asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greshmahg

    Besides, I tend to gamble more in the early stages of a tournament. Gotta make that early power move.
    Im sure this is generally incorrect, you must play tight as long as the blinds are small enough and your chipstack is alrge enough and only get involved more whe the blinds and your stack force you to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz
    I hate the check on the turn, Im all in there too.

    If he has 2 diamonds then we have a redraw to the 2nd nut flush and if has the Ace of diamonds and a lower diamond then so be it, he called a raise with AX suited, youll make money on this type of player.

    River could be a hard place to call with the 9 pairing the board, thats one of the worst cards for you, any 9 beats you now and he could of easily called with Pocket Queens.
    If he's a fish yes, but he wasn't, so he certainly did not call a flop bet with just a 9. He wouldn't even be in this hand with A9 or similar junk, in the first place. There's not many hands a good player could have here, I put him on AQ, maybe with 1 diamond. QQ is possible of course, but then I'm beaten anyways, he isnt gonna fold to an all-in for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    Not only I make that call, but I'm all in on turn.

    Like fish said you are commited. If this diamond helps him, you probably have a redraw, if not, he probably have a draw against you single pair. Make him pay for it.

    I see no reason to check that turn.

    KJ
    1) I cant chase away hands that beat me, like made flushes or sets
    2) Hands that I can beat, like TT or JJ or AQ, will fold except AQ with the ace of diamonds

    So I see no reason to bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greshmahg
    Of course I would call. If you didn't your stack would be short enough to where it wouldn't matter, anyways. You were committed.

    Besides, I tend to gamble more in the early stages of a tournament. Gotta make that early power move.
    I agree and I'll add that on the river, you KNOW you're good because he would'nt bet this big on the river with a flush. But on the gambling, I take it a big further and when I see KK early in a tourney, I'm ready for a big pot when no Ace flops. I overbet for value on the flop here to better commit both of you to the pot. Against 2 opponents with about 1250 in both stacks, I'll put 500 in the middle. One of these idiots are gonna call and then push the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    1) I cant chase away hands that beat me, like made flushes or sets
    2) Hands that I can beat, like TT or JJ or AQ, will fold except AQ with the ace of diamonds

    So I see no reason to bet?
    your reasoning is not that bad, but if you are willing to call the river all in bet (especialy with a 9 hitting the board), I see no reason to check the turn.

    Even if you say he has no 9 caus he cant play A9, he could really be playing 9Ts - 89s - even 97s - J9s from BB considering pot ods and in order to mix up is play (not saying it would be a very smat play, . Plus he can also be playing KQ (wich is not that bad for us) or QJs 10Js and those have a lot more outs, nothing unbelivable, but good enough to make them pay for it.

    As I said, this is considering you are willing to call river allin bet.

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I'd bet/push the turn as well, need to ask him if he caught the diamond.

    All-in on river looks like a busted draw that can't let go. See it all the time.
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