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  1. #1
    River Rat Auto's Avatar
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    Default Protecting against implied odds...

    Hey,

    I was wondering if my reraise here was too small to protect against implied odds. I put my opponent on probaly a mid PP (88-JJ), or 2 high cards like KQs or AJs...

    I thought pushing allin on the flop might get a smaller overpair to call. I really was only worried about him having 88, but I thought to odds of that were slim. When he turned over 33, I was very surprised. I thought I had raised enough to push out small pairs, but now Im thinking that maybe he had good enough implied odds to make that call. Can someone explain to me implied odds of small pairs.... if you put a person on AA or KK would it be valid for this player to call my raise???

    Thanks in advance...

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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t3030)
    MP2 (t2940)
    CO (t1710)
    Button (t1510)
    Hero (t1450)
    BB (t1570)
    UTG (t1290)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
    1 fold, MP1 raises to t60, MP2 calls t60, 2 folds, Hero raises to t240, 1 fold, MP1 calls t180, MP2 folds.

    Flop: (t560) 6, 8, 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets t1210 (All-In), MP1 calls t1210.

    Turn: (t2980) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t2980) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t2980

    Results in white below:
    MP1 has 3d 3h (full house, threes full of sixes).
    Hero has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and sixes).
    Outcome: MP1 wins t2980.
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    He was leaning on you. You had the one of table's short stacks, and he was up double on you. I would imagine that initially his goal was to chip you for a bit once the flop came down by representing something and bullying you out of that preflop raise you made. He just got lucky and nutted the flop in the process.

    Your stack of checks is almost as important as the cards you hold in your hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto
    Can someone explain to me implied odds of small pairs.... if you put a person on AA or KK would it be valid for this player to call my raise???

    Thanks in advance...

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    Preflop, small pocket pairs are a good example of a hand that has huge implied odds. If you do hit your set, you will probably make a lot of money against an opponent with two pair or top pair and top kicker.

    Pretty much that if he hits his set hes going to bust you since your likely to call any all in as long as the flop doesnt pair the board with something like QQx or KKx

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    Flopping a set or better (with a pocket pair) - 7.5/1

    He's calling 240 to win 1770 so his implied odds (assuming he stacks you if he hits) are 7.375/1. He didnt quite have enough odds to call, but its not completely out of line.
    BB is t100
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
    Hero raises to t500

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishodeath
    Flopping a set or better (with a pocket pair) - 7.5/1

    He's calling 240 to win 1770 so his implied odds (assuming he stacks you if he hits) are 7.375/1. He didnt quite have enough odds to call, but its not completely out of line.
    I guess technically though he is calling 180 (since his 60 raise is already in the pot) to stack 1770... which would make 10 to 1 odds....

    but his initial raise 60 from MP1 is what made me think he would have higher then a small pair.

    I think I have to agree with first poster's responce, looks as if he was more then willing to gamble here a bit with his big stack in hopes to push me around post flop.
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    Let's be honest here.

    5 of these 7 players would've called all of their chips with deuces and A9, let alone 33.

    nh. Just unlucky. You know you're not gonna fold to a raise, so you just pushed it in.
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    i really dont see anything wrong here on ur part... just got unlucky
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    he donked and won the hand?

    whats the problem?

    you are lightyears ahead of his range on the flop, you did nothing wrong.

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    You use the donk phrase WAAAAY too losely

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