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Old 07-27-2006, 08:56 AM
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I put him on QQ/KK. Anybody laying this hand down? Should I check the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t1435)
Hero (t1445)
MP2 (t1790)
CO (t3020)
Button (t1455)
SB (t1430)
BB (t1420)
UTG (t1505)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
2 folds, Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, CO calls t120, 3 folds.

Flop: (t285) 5, J, J (2 players)
Hero bets t200, CO calls t200.

Turn: (t685) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t400, CO calls t400.

River: (t1485) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t300, CO raises to t810, Hero calls t425 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3020

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and jacks).
CO has Jh Qs (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: CO wins t3020.
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Old 07-27-2006, 09:22 AM
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The turn bet pot commits you to this hand. You can't fold after you made that bet.

I think I would check-call both the turn and river... try to slow the betting down. Its still early (15/30 blinds), my goal would be to give myself some kind of out in case the villian floped a monster (having 300 chips at the end of this hand is better than 0).
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Well....

Probably change nothing, but i probably check the river... But he would have go all in and you would have call... however if you check fold, you still have an M of 14 wich is not bad...

there is no draw on board and he calls both flop and turn. What can he have.

KK would have reraise PF
QQ probably the same
But thats still a possibility

Those are probably the only 2 hands you can beat that will pay you on the river... any other hands you beat are already out of the way. I really think a mid PP would have fold the turn, even if mid PP is still playing he reallyhave to think he's beaten after 3 bet in a row.

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anyone check turn here?
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anyone check turn here?

Unfortunately yes. The flop call is a bad sign to me. A trap in progress. I would probably check the turn and then decide what to do.
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anyone check turn here?
Or a check/call small on the turn here. If he has a Jack, there's not much he's betting after you check. He'll bet small if he does at all. (I wouldn't be shocked if he gets fancy and checks) I would predict a t300 bet at most and the same on the river, so I'd fold to a bet. If he checks, he'll be too scared of not getting called that he'll bet a very callable t300 at most.

Your turn bet gives him the message that he's got action. Aces only win big pots when the money gets in early. Blinds are low and you ahve chips.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:11 AM
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It's hard to put him on a jack, except maybe JJ which gives him quads

His odds of getting two pair or better are only 30:1? So why the call with QJ? He got less than 15:1.

Even if he gets paid off, it cannot work in the long run or am I mistaken?
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It's hard to put him on a jack, except maybe JJ which gives him quads

His odds of getting two pair or better are only 30:1? So why the call with QJ? He got less than 15:1.

Even if he gets paid off, it cannot work in the long run or am I mistaken?
I guessing that he didn't know all this. You are thinking a level too deep. He didn't think, "my odds of flopping a monster don't justify my calling this raise." Instead, he probably thought, "Oooooh. Two shiny face cards with pretty colors. Gotta see a flop."
A CL calling a 4BB raise pf with QJo is not the most unusual sight on Pokerstars.
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