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    Default Did I donk these hands up? (Short-handed NL)

    These were the last 2 hands (for me) of a 9-man SnG I played yesterday... top 3 paid(50% 1st, 30% 2nd, 20% 3rd).

    Both beagle59 and OmahaMeat seemed to be decent players, however beagle was way more passive after the flop then Omaha so I was trying to play agressive in pots against him.

    The first hand I put him on a PP (77s-JJs), so I fired a continuation bet (too small??)... I guess a push on the turn would have taken the pot down (maybe)...

    ...The hand right after Im dealt AK (blinds just went up), im sitting at a M of 7. In hindsight I think I should pushed here pf...

    Advice on how to play these hands better is welcome....


    PokerStars Game #5672020881: Tournament #28697293, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/07/24 - 22:54:41 (ET)
    Table '28697293 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: beagle59 (5770 in chips)
    Seat 4: OmahaMeat (5140 in chips)
    Seat 7: Autologic (2590 in chips)
    OmahaMeat: posts small blind 50
    Autologic: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Autologic [Jc Ad]
    beagle59: calls 100
    OmahaMeat: folds
    Autologic: raises 400 to 500
    beagle59: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [ ]
    Autologic: bets 500
    beagle59: calls 500
    *** TURN *** [ ] []
    Autologic: checks
    beagle59: checks
    *** RIVER *** [ ] []
    Autologic: checks
    beagle59: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Autologic: shows [ ] (high card Ace)
    beagle59: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
    beagle59 collected 2050 from pot
    Autologic said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2050 | Rake 0
    Board [Td 8c Qh 2d 3s]
    Seat 1: beagle59 (button) showed [ ] and won (2050) with a pair of Nines
    Seat 4: OmahaMeat (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Autologic (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with high card Ace

    PokerStars Game #5672032257: Tournament #28697293, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/07/24 - 22:55:27 (ET)
    Table '28697293 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: beagle59 (6820 in chips)
    Seat 4: OmahaMeat (5090 in chips)
    Seat 7: Autologic (1590 in chips)
    Autologic: posts small blind 75
    beagle59: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Autologic [ ]
    OmahaMeat: folds
    Autologic: raises 450 to 600
    beagle59: calls 450
    *** FLOP *** [ ]
    Autologic: bets 990 and is all-in
    beagle59: calls 990
    *** TURN *** [ ] []
    *** RIVER *** [ ] []
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Autologic: shows [ ] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    beagle59: shows [ ] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
    beagle59 collected 3180 from pot
    OmahaMeat said, "crazy hand"
    Autologic [observer] said, "gg"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3180 | Rake 0
    Board [Qd 5s Jc Tc Td]
    Seat 1: beagle59 (big blind) showed [Jh JavaScript] and won (3180) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
    Seat 4: OmahaMeat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Autologic (small blind) showed [Kc Ad] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
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    1.) Your PF raises are high. You give yourself no oppurtunity to drop AJ, AT, A9, KQ, and PPs 88-22 (if you raise with those). I just got back into SnG's and at this point, raising to 2.5-3bbs gets the same reactions as 4-5bb raises. The cons with the bigger raises are

    A.) You slow down a lot of people with QQ, JJ, AK, and AQ who you want to tell you what they have.

    B.) You force yourself into bigger cb's when your stack can't really withstand them and people know that calling your cb is safe because you can't afford to fire another bullet on the turn without a hand.

    2.) I like the second hand. You were lucky that you were unlucky that he had JJ and got a bit lucky picking up the straight, but the 57/43 PF odds calculate all 5 cards and compile so many different situations. Just bad luck in the timing for him.

    I'll give the first a 6.5/10 in being weak because early aggression without the follow through is weak, scared 2 card poker. I'll give the second hand a 2/10 in donkery. I'd like to see you just push PF if you were planning on doing this on a flop like this, but you were pushing for the pot as is and ran into a hand. That's poker.
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    hand 1 chek pf, check/fold all streets.

    hand 2, go all in pf. if you make 3bb raise pf/ then i would also bet pot on flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    1.) Your PF raises are high. You give yourself no oppurtunity to drop AJ, AT, A9, KQ, and PPs 88-22 (if you raise with those). I just got back into SnG's and at this point, raising to 2.5-3bbs gets the same reactions as 4-5bb raises. The cons with the bigger raises are

    A.) You slow down a lot of people with QQ, JJ, AK, and AQ who you want to tell you what they have.

    B.) You force yourself into bigger cb's when your stack can't really withstand them and people know that calling your cb is safe because you can't afford to fire another bullet on the turn without a hand.

    2.) I like the second hand. You were lucky that you were unlucky that he had JJ and got a bit lucky picking up the straight, but the 57/43 PF odds calculate all 5 cards and compile so many different situations. Just bad luck in the timing for him.

    I'll give the first a 6.5/10 in being weak because early aggression without the follow through is weak, scared 2 card poker. I'll give the second hand a 2/10 in donkery. I'd like to see you just push PF if you were planning on doing this on a flop like this, but you were pushing for the pot as is and ran into a hand. That's poker.
    Thanks...this makes sence. Had I just raised only,300 here, then cb 300... id have about 2000 left and looking at 1250 pot.... I then could have easily fired the 3rd bullet 700-800 and have 1200 chips to fold with.
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