Would you push this flop?

Mr.McJ · #1 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:17 PM

$4 180 SnG on Stars. Fairly late in level 1.
Villain is a really loose, aggressive idiot and SB has been weak tight ever since he donked a hand early on.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t1360)
Hero (t1480)
MP2 (t1860)
CO (t1470)
Button (t2980)
SB (t1035)
BB (t1815)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with

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2 folds, Hero raises to t80, MP2 calls t80, 2 folds, SB calls t70, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t320)

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(4 players)
SB bets t60, BB raises to t240, Hero raises to t1160, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls t1160.

Turn: (t2940)

(2 players)

River: (t2940)

(2 players)

Final Pot: t2940

Results in white below:
BB has Js Qs (flush, queen high).
Hero has Ks As (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins t2940.

OrionPro · #2 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:43 PM

I posted almost the same hand earlier

I pushed it too

Here you have 2 opponents so I like the push even more, you have to get rid of at least one

Mr.McJ · #3 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:45 PM

I just didn't know if it was too early in the tournament to push.

OrionPro · #4 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:49 PM

IMO push is not dependent on the stage (correct me if I'm wrong) but only the situation. I don't mind pushing the very first hand in any tourney. It's fun to double up with aces against queens or even complete garbage. Much better than pushing aces late in the tourney (My aces got killed by QJs, can you imagine how much I *HATE* this guy??? this was before the final table 180-men...after 3 hours or something)

gder03 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 09:44 PM

it would take me .0069 seconds to get all my money in on this flop.

imo you gaine a great advantage when you double up early.

Barbourman · #6 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 09:48 PM

AK is not a pocket pair

I'd raise, but definately see the turn first.

the alex · #7 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gder03

it would take me .0069 seconds to get all my money in on this flop.

Yeah.

Dizzy_Fuzz · #8 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbourman

AK is not a pocket pair

I'd raise, but definately see the turn first.

You have 3 kings that improve your hand, 3 aces and 9 spades. I make that 15 outs. Your going to hit this by the river and hopefully win if a pair of kings is good enough over 60% of the time...

I had this exact hand earlier in a cash game against 2 opponents cepts it was clubs instead of spades, and the board came 782 I had AKs and pushed all in, an opponent called with 44 and I hit a king on the turn stacking the guy.

Barbourman · #9 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz

You have 3 kings that improve your hand, 3 aces and 9 spades. I make that 15 outs. Your going to hit this by the river and hopefully win if a pair of kings is good enough over 60% of the time...

I had this exact hand earlier in a cash game against 2 opponents cepts it was clubs instead of spades, and the board came 782 I had AKs and pushed all in, an opponent called with 44 and I hit a king on the turn stacking the guy.

I like playing people that play AK like a pocket pair. It is a drawing hand, and in this case you have none of the flop.

I don't use calculations, but I would call with a made-flush on the flop, up against a nut flush draw.

I guess that's why they call it gambling.

OrionPro · #10 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 10:03 AM

How can you have a made flush on that board, after the flop?