Fold the nut flush?

**OrionPro** · 07-21-2006

Bad river for me...fold? What do you think about the bets, too little/too much?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t1580)
MP3 (t1480)
CO (t1080)
Button (t1860)
SB (t1460)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1800)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1240)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, A

.
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t120) K

, 9

, Q

(6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t100, CO calls t100, SB folds.

Turn: (t420) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets t250, MP3 calls t250, CO calls t250.

River: (t1170) 7

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t280, CO raises to t710, Hero calls t710, MP3 calls t430.

Final Pot: t3300

Results in white below:
Hero has 4h As (flush, ace high).
MP3 has JavaScript 5c (flush, king high).
CO has Ts 5h (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins t3300.

**Mr.McJ** · 07-21-2006

I love their action on the river. lol.
I don't think I could lay it down myself unless I had a really good read on my opponents.

**Jason75** · 07-21-2006

If you're going to call this (which you should today, tomorrow, and for the rest of your life), then you need to reraise all in and get MP3's money as well. If you lose, what good are those couple hundred chips you save? If you win, you eliminate 2 other players and pad your lead even more.

So all things being equal (cripled if you lose, win big if you're ahead) if you ever decide to call a pot where calling and losing criples you, you need to raise all in.

Otherwise you're leaving $$$ on the table here.

**Mr.McJ** · 07-21-2006

Originally Posted by Jason75

If you're going to call this (which you should today, tomorrow, and for the rest of your life), then you need to reraise all in and get MP3's money as well. If you lose, what good are those couple hundred chips you save? If you win, you eliminate 2 other players and pad your lead even more.

So all things being equal (cripled if you lose, win big if you're ahead) if you ever decide to call a pot where calling and losing criples you, you need to raise all in.

Otherwise you're leaving $$$ on the table here.

It seems so obvious but I would have probably done the same thing as him. Good advice.

**OrionPro** · 07-21-2006

Raise all-in on the river you mean? True that would've been better

What about pushing after the turn? I feel my bet there didn't really accomplish anything but sweeten the pot.

**Mr.McJ** · 07-21-2006

Whats wrong with sweetening the pot on the turn?

**OrionPro** · 07-21-2006

Nothing really, only that sets would definitely call here.

I was wondering whether it would be better to push if someone has a set, to deny him the odds to call.

**Jason75** · 07-21-2006

Originally Posted by Mr.McJ

It seems so obvious but I would have probably done the same thing as him. Good advice.

Actually, this stuff is not obvious.

Examining the consequences of our actions is part of becoming a better poker player. Before you make a big decision like this, we need to ask ourselves where does each decision put us . . .

E.G. "If I fold, where am I at?", "If I call where am I at?", "If I raise, where am I at?". If calling and raising leave us in similar positions, then we should always raise . . .

**Lamby100** · 07-21-2006

I like your bet on the flop, try and take it there and then. I like your bet on the turn too, don't want to scare them off at that point so we make it look like a continuation. We can't be assuming they made some miracle straight flush so we want to get as much in as possible.

When they flat call we can be fairly sure that there is no straight flush (depending on reads). The river could have made someone a boat but again why should we assume this. Get all your chips in at that point.

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