When your getting blinded out

G_The_Jester · #1 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 02:29 PM

Just finished playing a PokerStars micro multi tourney (yep my $0 deposit account is still running).

Towards the end of the tourney I was sitting 28 out of 31 left and needed a couple of double ups to get back to the average stack.

I was on the button and it folded around to me, so I all in with my short stack with J7os in order to steal the blinds. (The two players to my left had been giving me their blinds all game with 2.5xBB raises). As 2.5xBB was practically all in .. I all in. SB folded but BB called with AQos and knocked me out.

Question:

Should you at least take another circuit of the table and wait for a better holding, or does position make up for the weakness of your holding in these situations?

Marm · #2 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 02:32 PM

Depends on if you think you can get away with or not......

jte87 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 02:32 PM

If your stack was just more than 2.5 BBs, you put it all in without consideration of which two cards you have if it is folded around to you.

the alex · #4 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:01 PM

With 5bbs and less in the ante phase, I open push with any 2 in the blinds. I don't know what the situations were during your blinds and you haven't told us your stack, the blinds, how many people entered, how many paid, etc.

For all I know, this was a $1 SnG MTT with 45 people and you have t500 with 100/200 blinds and 31 left or it was a 1200 person $1 MTT and you had $20k with 2k/4k blinds and a 250 ante and have been in the money for over an hour and a half.

These two situations have completely different short stack types of play, even if you want to overgeneralize. On the face, your play seems fine in most cases, but how you got here is the real conundrum.

G_The_Jester · #5 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the alex

With 5bbs and less in the ante phase, I open push with any 2 in the blinds. I don't know what the situations were during your blinds and you haven't told us your stack, the blinds, how many people entered, how many paid, etc.

For all I know, this was a $1 SnG MTT with 45 people and you have t500 with 100/200 blinds and 31 left or it was a 1200 person $1 MTT and you had $20k with 2k/4k blinds and a 250 ante and have been in the money for over an hour and a half.

These two situations have completely different short stack types of play, even if you want to overgeneralize. On the face, your play seems fine in most cases, but how you got here is the real conundrum.

It was the $1.20 MTT 800+ entered, 1st prize $160ish.

Next payment level was at 28 players and that only added about a dollar to the prize, I was playing for first. Prizes were paid from 162nd down.

My stack was approx 11,000, blinds at 1000/2000 plus ante.

Chip leader had in excess of 120,000 chips, Average would have been around 40,000-50,000.

the alex · #6 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:35 PM

OK. Then you can afford to lay this down and open-push with 2 cards adding up to 20 (including A9) and suited connectors under 9 for the next orbit and you can start open-pushing any 2 starting in the next BB if you get nothing or people are too aggressive in front of you to push with KT, QT, QJ. The gap in your hole cards are too wide for a better edge. Let the blinds duke it out here. The word's out on CO, button, and blind pushing weak and your case is so iffy.

tightagressive · #7 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:23 AM

evidentaily you have a very short stack and its folded to you on the button.

push.

*edited so i dont sound like an idiot

Jason75 · #8 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 09:45 AM

We've got an M of around 3 (assuming ante is 100) . . . I'd push any 2 unopened on the button, CO or late middle position. Even UTG I'm pushing any pair, any ace, K8+, QT+, JT, SCs down to 54s, 1-Gap SCs down to 64s.

I'd call any raise with AT+/KJ+/77+/SCs/1-Gaps down to 86s.

Are we going to be an underdog a lot of the time we call a raise? Sure, but you're so frickin short we don't need to worry about that . . .

Survival is not an option. Push or die.

Jason75 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tightagressive

i think with 2.5x the bb you are getting called way too much here. wait for something that has at least potential to be ahead when called or that has a good chance of winning. 98s, KQ-KT, Ax, etc.

I think this is far too tight a pushing range on the button given our stack size. . . . . your range above (adding all pairs, QT/QJ/JT/T9s) represents 25% of all hands. If we have an M of 9 then I'd lay back. But with an M of less than 3, it's time to just get our $$$ in and hope to double up.

tightagressive · #10 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason75

I think this is far too tight a pushing range on the button given our stack size. . . . . your range above (adding all pairs, QT/QJ/JT/T9s) represents 25% of all hands. If we have an M of 9 then I'd lay back. But with an M of less than 3, it's time to just get our $$$ in and hope to double up.

what the hell am i even talking about.

i think i misread the thread for some reason i thought he was making some sort of button raise. even though i refered to it as a pushing raise.

wtf?

yeah, uh, wow

edit: that still doesnt even make sense. damnit