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    Default playing weak early to put on a "show"...

    i played in a stt last night and thought id try something out. i got a few good pots under my belt and was the cl by at least 3x the next biggest stack. (approx 70bb's) there were still 7 other people in it who were playing tighter that a virgins a$$hole. so i started calling things i normally wouldnt. like calling all ins (4bb's) with K4o. some players were commenting on it saying i was an idiot for calling. however 20min later when i was on the button with AA and had 2 raises in front of me it made it easier for them to call my all in. i ended up winning that tourney so i think it was proffitable in this situation. but i wanted to ask you guys if this is done regularly if at all. thanks.

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    If you have a chip lead that big why are you trying to build an image like that and why risk doubling someone else up in the process?

    Sounds like an excuse for loose play to me.

    Yes there's a time to manipulate your table image but this doesn't sound like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irexes
    If you have a chip lead that big why are you trying to build an image like that and why risk doubling someone else up in the process?

    Sounds like an excuse for loose play to me.

    Yes there's a time to manipulate your table image but this doesn't sound like it.
    the main reason i did it was so that the players who were EXTREMELY tight might loosen up. also they would look at my reraises as garbage play. this made it easier to stack them.
    i knew it wasnt the SMARTEST way to play even though it was effective here. i just didnt know if this was a method that anyone else used.

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    I'm vicous when I have a decent sized chip lead, especially at a table like the one you've described. That doesn't mean I'm crazy though. I'm not going to make a call with K4 just for the sake of my image.

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    I don't mind calling an all in with K-high for only 4 bbs when I'm the huge CL. It intimidates the table into playing tighter.

    When you're the CL, you don't want the other players to play loosely. You want to intimidate them with your large stack so that you can pick up the blinds and antes without a fight. You need to be raising and reraising, not calling, to do this.

    Also, in lower buyins, don't make the mistake of thinking just because an opponent is tight that they're observant.

    Example: Last 5 SNGs I have lost have all been the same: I didn't manage to double up early, it got down to 5-6 players and the blinds become huge. So I hadn't hardly played a hand by this time (probably around 8% VPIP). Each time I tried to resteal a medium tight player by reraising. Each time they flat called, and I pushed the flop. Each time they had missed, but called me down anyway (once with A3o with a 567 hh and once with KsJc on a Qs4s3s after I had reraised before the flop, neither time getting anywhere near the odds they need).

    The problem was that I needed to realize that at this buyin ($11), tight does not mean observant or good. So these moves, while profitable in higher buy ins, were killing me at the $11 level. . . .
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
    Beavis68: You play poker.
    Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.

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