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Old 07-16-2006, 06:55 PM
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Anyone else going broke here?

p.s. I want to slap this SOB

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t3775)
UTG+1 (t1845)
MP1 (t6820)
MP2 (t2345)
CO (t7980)
Button (t4100)
SB (t4164)
BB (t1818)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, Button calls t450, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1500) 3, 6, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1000, Button folds, SB raises to t2000, Hero raises to t3325, SB calls t1325.

Turn: (t8150) 7 (2 players)

River: (t8150) T (2 players)

Final Pot: t8150

Results in white below:
SB has 6h 2h (two pair, sixes and twos).
Hero has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins t8150.
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Theres not much you can do when people are willing to call decent raises with those kinds of cards.
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Old 07-16-2006, 08:26 PM
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he was in the sb.

he was pot committed
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I personally would probably raise to 600 Preflop (4bb) but other than that I would be bust on that hand too.

You should pretend he had 66 and then ask yourself if you should have been able to get away, since there were legitamate hands beating you (Id call 3bb with 66).

On a 6 high flop with a 10bb stack I would never fold KK since you could easily be up against 77-QQ.
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On a 6 high flop with a 10bb stack I would never fold KK since you could easily be up against 77-QQ.
yeah. with such a short stack, even thinking about folding is -ev
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Old 07-17-2006, 03:59 AM
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I personally would probably raise to 600 Preflop (4bb) but other than that I would be bust on that hand too.

You should pretend he had 66 and then ask yourself if you should have been able to get away, since there were legitamate hands beating you (Id call 3bb with 66).
You dont get the implied odds here though, if you're looking for a set. Even if you hit your set, the following must be true to get all my chips:

- I must not hit my king(ace)
- I must not have Ace-high, and if I do, I must hit an ace on the flop. Hitting top pair is not enough, e.g. if I play AT you're not getting all my chips with a single 10 on the board, since I will put you on JJ etc.
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You dont get the implied odds here though, if you're looking for a set. Even if you hit your set, the following must be true to get all my chips:

- I must not hit my king(ace)
- I must not have Ace-high, and if I do, I must hit an ace on the flop. Hitting top pair is not enough, e.g. if I play AT you're not getting all my chips with a single 10 on the board, since I will put you on JJ etc.
But if you have Ace-high and I've got position on you, there's a good chance that I might be able to outplay you after the flop. Even if you hit top pair 10s, I might be able to convince you that I have you beat.

My point, I'd call 3bb w/ 66 on the button for sure.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:13 AM
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I'll fire a big bet at you, you'll have no idea what to do. Since you're short-stacked yourself, you cannot even raise me without getting pot committed. I bet 1000 here and you only have 4000 chips!
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Thats if I know you have KK. And then when an Ace does flop and my 6 doesn't I will bluff you out.

Given your range of hands for a 3bb raise (AK/AQ included) I think I have good odds to play 66.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:25 AM
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Thats if I know you have KK. And then when an Ace does flop and my 6 doesn't I will bluff you out.
How that? I'll bet on ace-high flop too, of course! I'll never check with KK. If you go all the way with 66 on an ace-high flop without trips...well that's crazy imo
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