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  1. #1
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    Default Did I play this wrong?

    After the flop things looked rosy........well I'm still a little "wet round the ears" when it comes to warning and danger signs etc......only thing I could think of was the he had high pocket pairs - which I was coreect in assuming.

    Where I think I went wrong (well there could be thousands of faults here in my play) was not thinking of what could be coming on the turn and\or river. And as such I got busted out.

    Can someone point out to me where I started to go wrong here.....would help my game alot (cause I think this happens a fair bit actually)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) CP hand converter

    MP1 (t1500)
    MP2 (t1490)
    CO (t1460)
    Hero (t1510)
    SB (t1460)
    BB (t1240)
    UTG (t1460)
    UTG+1 (t3380)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A:d:, T:c:.
    UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t120) T:d:, 5:h:, T:s: (6 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets t500, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t1000, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to t1440, Hero calls t440.

    Turn: (t3000) J:c: (2 players)

    River: (t3000) 5:c: (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3000

    Hero has 10's full of 5's
    UTG has Jacks full of 10's

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    Preflop I think the only guy who didnt make a mistake was BB - who checked... hard to get that one wrong.

    JJ should have risen hard preflop to isolate (he didn't. When he didn't as you were on the button- I'd either raise hard or fold.. AT isnt that great. Truth be known I'd probably fold this early with unknowns at the table- life is too short.

    Five ppl in - someone hitting the 55 for the fh isnt out of the question. Theres no flush draw on so the only ppl who will call you are those guys with KT,QT,JT and slow playing monsters etc. On this table its quite possible..lol

    Betting hard at this level in this situation isn't so bad - the callers justifiy it. Putting somone on a hand is impossible...

    When you bet post flop - odds were that you were ahead... so its good... but its only odds. He had a 8% chance of cracking you - and he did.If he threw a 12 with two dice (roughly same odds).. would it be worth getting upset about?
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    Dont think that you did anything wrong but when you reraised on the flop you can just go all in because nobody is gonna call the 500 and not 1000 more and you are pot commiting yourself anyways
    If there wern't luck involed i guess id win everyone

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    Preflop, I dont think you have good odds with that limp. There's too many players involved, so whatever flop comes, somebody will catch a piece of it and you cannot bluff them out.

    Postflop, you have to get as much money into the pot as possible, which you did successfully. I would even consider slow-playing here, although it's unlikely this would've changed much.

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    fold pre-flop, that hands a newbie trap

    A-X suited is playable but mainly for its flush, 2 pair, three of a kind possibilities
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    Thanks for the tips.

    Yeah I think I get a little "over the top" with a AT suited, I'm more a dreamer than pragmatic so........come on Royal Flush

    Probably why I called in the first place then, depending on your point of view, unluckily caught the 10's.

    It will make me think harder aboout playing this hand, especially early on.

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    Early in a tournament, getting these implied odds, limping with ATo is a good play. I'd limp with any A, but particularly AXs (due to the flush value).

    You've got incredible implied odds here . . . far more than the 25:1 you'll likely need to hit 2 pair or trips. What pads the odds is the horrendous opposition . . . which is likely to do exactly what this donk did with JJ (jump all in when he's drawing to 2 outs and is so obviously beat there's now a neon sign hanging over his head).

    What you don't want to do if you limp is to play this for top pair value (either A or T). Or limp with this short stacked (in a big family pot, you need a stack that is about 20 times the bet you're calling to make this profitable if you're just fishing for trips, 2 pair, or the straight).

    As for villian drawing out on you, just know that you got it in as a 90% favorite, and that 1 out of 10 times in this situation Villian will catch his improbable card . . . that's just poker.
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    lets forget about what happened pf because jj was obviously prepared to go all in. by showing no agression pre flop with your A 10 you brought out no agression from jj. and so you saw your set land on the flop and at that point you raise all in. you where most definately top dog and you got beat by someone riding against the odds. - you where unlucky! good play tho i've done it myself in the past! - only i don't get beat, lol!

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