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Old 10-31-2006, 09:04 AM
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these are the only 2 hands i played all tournament up to this point....un real shit..these hands happend back to back.....YES MOZILLIA I KNOW I SPELLED HAPPENED WRONG

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t1180)
Hero (t1510)
MP2 (t865)
CO (t2390)
Button (t3865)
SB (t2345)
BB (t4700)
UTG (t2300)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to t353, MP2 raises to t865, 4 folds, Hero calls t512.

Flop: (t1880) T, 9, 7 (2 players)

Turn: (t1880) J (2 players)

River: (t1880) 3 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1880

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Ks (high card, ace).
MP2 has Jd Qs (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP2 wins t1880.


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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t1180)
Hero (t645)
MP1 (t1880)
MP2 (t2390)
CO (t3865)
Button (t2295)
SB (t4600)
BB (t2300)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, 3.
1 fold, Hero raises to t645, 3 folds, Button calls t645, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1440) T, T, 3 (2 players)

Turn: (t1440) A (2 players)

River: (t1440) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1440

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah 3c (two pair, aces and tens).
Button has Qs Ks (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins t1440.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:37 AM
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Can't fault the first hand much. The raise was about right (although I hate UTG+1...) and you couldn't fold to his re-raise.

When you loose a hand, then go all in with A3 (suited or not) that's called tilt. You should have taken a deep breath and waited for a better time... I realize you were BB next hand, but you're the new short stack, after just getting a bad beat. The push looked real desperate and you were bound to get a caller, which you certainly didn't want.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:54 AM
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better time? i have 600 chips and im looking at an ace? you wanna wait 2 hands to get blinded down? he calls kq any day remember we are dealing with idiots not poker players
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2nd Hand: If the button showed me his hand and told me he was going to call, I would still push all in.
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glad someone agrees

if the button said i had an ace i would still push
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i agree with you obga.....
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A3o with 7 people behind you? You got to know it's very likely someone has a better, even dominating hand. On some days I would agree with McJ if everyone else promised not to call, and only since you were BB next, but A3o against KQ suited is a coin flip and I try to wait for slightly better odds when my tourney life is on the line.

Even if you had to fold both blinds, you have 495 left and 6 free hands to see for a better chance double up or even take a blind or 2. This provides a much better chance of surviving than pushing with A3o with 7 people behind you. From this blind level, I've had under t200 to come back and win an 18 man tourney.

I have no need to tell you about patience as you said these were the only 2 hands you played. Which brings up another issue - I try to see as many flops as I can between the t20 and t50 levels (especially in position), so perhaps next time start to play a bit earlier. I understand it’s hard if you get garbage every hand, and everyone at the table is a maniac. Best of luck in the future!
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These beats are so standard. Suck it up and keep playing..
and if you often find yourself in coinflip situation for all your chips with 6-7 people left, you might want to review your SnG game.
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A3o with 7 people behind you? You got to know it's very likely someone has a better, even dominating hand. On some days I would agree with McJ if everyone else promised not to call, and only since you were BB next, but A3o against KQ suited is a coin flip and I try to wait for slightly better odds when my tourney life is on the line.

Even if you had to fold both blinds, you have 495 left and 6 free hands to see for a better chance double up or even take a blind or 2. This provides a much better chance of surviving than pushing with A3o with 7 people behind you. From this blind level, I've had under t200 to come back and win an 18 man tourney.
We have an M of 4 (or 6.5BBs) and an Ace, if you've read Harrington on Hold'em then you should know that this is an insta-push. If you haven't read HOH, you really should.

We COULD fold here, wind up with only $500 left in chips after the blinds and never see another playable hand. I'd much rather get all in with A3os and lose than hold on as long as I can only to be blinded out. If I'm going down, I'm going down swinging and A3 isn't a bad hand to make a stand with in this situation.
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These beats are so standard. Suck it up and keep playing..
and if you often find yourself in coinflip situation for all your chips with 6-7 people left, you might want to review your SnG game.
I don't think OBGA was complaining about these specific hands as much as he is complaining about the fact that he can't win anything. When we're running bad, every beat is a bad one.
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