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Old 10-17-2006, 07:48 PM
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Default Why do i bother to raise when im ahead?

Why should i raise PF/call a raise PF?

Why should i re-raise a raise when i know im ahead?

It just gives them more money to suck me out of.

Cause i mean, 410 offsuit is worth 3BB Pre-flop

And, of course a pair of 4's is without a doubt still good with multiple PF callers of a raise, a raise after the flop, and a re-raise to 8BB. But those 4's are still good, right, he should call, right?

Why the fuck do i bother.

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with
UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $0.75, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: ($3.75, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.5, UTG calls, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

So i figure im in great position. Not only did the AK/AQ/AJ/a10 whatever people were raising with didnt hit, but if they turn or river there ace, i straight them. Perfect, right?
Turn: ($9.75, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG is all-in $3.7, Hero calls all-in.


River: ($17.15, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $17.15)


Results:
Final pot: $17.15
Villain shows 410o


Wait, but i still have $1.75 left, i can make a comback, right? Well, get it to $4, but god forbid i do not get rivered for once in my life. to my PP against 2 overs. But nope, there last chance to win always does.

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Old 10-17-2006, 09:25 PM
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I think you guys need to start playing more than dimes and dollars. Seriously, you only lost $3 on that hand (or maybe $5). Play higher tables, you make more money and see less people playing stupid like that.

The $1/$2 is a joke, but still too much of a joke that you cant read people. The $2/$5 table is still a joke, but a joke that you can make a living off of.

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Old 10-17-2006, 10:50 PM
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I think you guys need to start playing more than dimes and dollars. Seriously, you only lost $3 on that hand (or maybe $5). Play higher tables, you make more money and see less people playing stupid like that.
WRONG!!!

Back to Dans point, your preflop play here is fine, a lot of limpers to a 3 BB raise, go ahead and see a flop. Your flop play could be more aggressive, maybe $3-$3.75, although you WILL be suprised by how many callers you still get.. if an ace falls on the turn it is great only if someone pays you off.

When the 4 falls, you have to realise two things, someone has made a better hand than yours, you only have a few outs on the river, 2 5s, and 4 6s, 4 aces (not to mention the few dead aces out there) You have at best 10 outs if they are all still good, which gives you roughly a 20% hit rate by the river a 5-1 chance (just below) the odds on the turn only give you 2.6-1 this is NOT A PROFITABLE CALL

Another note, PP vs 2 overs is very close to a coinflp... why take a coinflip?
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Old 10-17-2006, 11:57 PM
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The more sickening beats and crazy outdraws you get on a site, the better it is to play there.

Its better if your KK is losing all in to 77 or A4 preflop than only ever getting action from AA. If you never got bad beats, you would be a losing player.
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Old 10-18-2006, 04:01 AM
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thats true.
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Old 10-18-2006, 05:39 AM
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Dizzy is right. 10 outs would be 3.6-1, but I assume you subtract some in case we're beaten, so 20% looks good. Nice analysis. I still find myself calling too much like Dan when the odds appear slightly in my favor, when in fact they're not.
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Dizzy is right. 10 outs would be 3.6-1, but I assume you subtract some in case we're beaten, so 20% looks good. Nice analysis. I still find myself calling too much like Dan when the odds appear slightly in my favor, when in fact they're not.
Its an easy call to make since it looks like your ahead.

I dont reraise the flop here I merely call, since reraising that flop and then getting a card like the turn card is a mini disaster, Id rather call the flop and treat it like a drawing hand.
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Top pair 10 kicker. I would die before folding that hand.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:36 AM
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Why do we raise when we're ahead?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

BB (t1120)
UTG (t1620)
UTG+1 (t1340)
MP1 (t1420)
MP2 (t2100)
MP3 (t1920)
CO (t1245)
Hero (t1905)
SB (t1120)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, Hero raises to t100, SB raises to t180, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t160, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t600, SB raises to t1120, UTG+1 raises to t1500, Hero calls t740.

Flop: (t4020) , , (3 players)

Turn: (t4020) (3 players)

River: (t4020) (3 players)

Final Pot: t4020
Main Pot: t4020 (t4020), between UTG+1, Hero and SB. > Split: UTG+1 (t2010), SB (t2010).

Results in white below:
SB has Kd Ac (straight, ace high).
UTG+1 has Ah 4h (straight, ace high).
Hero has Qc Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t2010. SB wins t2010.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

MP3 (t1540)
CO (t1460)
Button (t2100)
SB (t1830)
BB (t2770)
UTG (t1920)
UTG+1 (t585)
Hero (t1180)
MP2 (t855)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t100, MP2 calls t100, MP3 calls t100, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t80.

Flop: (t430) , , (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1080 (All-In), MP2 folds, MP3 calls t1080, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t2590) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2590) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2590
Main Pot: t2590 (t2590), between MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by MP3 (t2590).

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and kings).
MP3 has Kc 2c (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins t2590.
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I think you guys need to start playing more than dimes and dollars. Seriously, you only lost $3 on that hand (or maybe $5). Play higher tables, you make more money and see less people playing stupid like that.

The $1/$2 is a joke, but still too much of a joke that you cant read people. The $2/$5 table is still a joke, but a joke that you can make a living off of.

Cheers,
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