I see we are not a true student of the game. Anybody that thinks "it's limit, forget it" is not a real poker player.

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A few more thoughts on raising the turn...

A) Since a person to your left bet and got callers, nobody is laying this down for one more bet (whether you make this extra bet on the turn or the river is really up to you) However, if they are both looking for a flush and it doesn't hit then they are both probably check/folding the river...which is where you lose the extra bet and that makes is more valuable (in my opinion) to raise the turn.

B) If somebody did flop trips (and boated on the turn) they are going to cap it with you if you want. Since we're really not going to lose this hand (tough luck on that BTW) then we want the 2nd best hand to pay through the nose...if in this situation you are up against the boat and "something else" say the nut flush, he's probably not going to be able to lay his hand down on the turn thinking he still has a chance to win. He will pay (micro limit poker here) to see the river to see if he hits his hand. So you may be able to cap it three way where as if you try to wait for the river, and his hand doesn't hit, he's not going to give you any more money...

C) In limit poker (again IMHO) you don't have to try to get fancy. You want to jam the pot anytime you have the best hand. I believe it's one of the ways we maximize your profits. I will, if I flop a monster, wait till the turn before starting to jam the pot because it's the big bet and I'd rather make a big bet then a small bet, but once I hit the turn and I have a monster then I'll jam everytime and let the others worry about how they play their hand.

After looking at this hand a couple times, I think you caught FPS and while it wouldn't have changed the outcome, I think if the case nine hadn't been on the river, it would have cost you more bets (The boat is not folding here). Of course, we know the third player did fold but would he have folded on the turn (I'm thinking he was on a FD or made flush and decided that with 2 pair on the board it was unlikely with all the action that somebody didn't have the boat).

In the end, I think that you got really unlikely to lose that hand and I would have had to leave the table for a little bit to cool off. I do think that had you won, you could have won more by capping the turn and the flop...I also wouldn't have slow played bottom trips with a flush on the board like that...I'll need a decent read to verify that he's has the made flush opposed to the FD (which some people tend to play the same way). I am capping this flop and of course capping this turn and capping this river then killing the next little birdie that flies near my house to relieve my frustration...

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If you want to get sucked out so hard that it makes you cry then go play limit.
If you want to play a game that requires skill and not just math then play NL.

Limit requires knowing when odds are your favour and just calling on a draw or betting with the best hand so others can call you and draw you out.

NL gives the ability to place any bet be it a bluff or a raise purposely trying to remove any chasers.

Limit requires skill but NL requires a lot more. I have played limit and im a consistent winner but i just find it frustrating when you do get sucked out cus someone just flat calls your bets to hit a backdoor straight or flush

that is literally one of the stupidest things ive ever read in this forum. obviously you are a horrible limit player. im not a great limit player, but ill admit it. which is why when i posted "anybody besides me raise the turn" i didnt say calling was a bad play and raising was the better play, i simply brought up the idea of a turn raise because i THINK its the better play but would love to hear more experienced limit players discuss it, so we can all learn something. unlike you, because every time i read something you write it seriously makes me dumber.

pates, not trying to be an "a-hole" or a "tosser", but I can say that was a dumb thing to say. I'm a no limit player myself, but it's sounds like your saying you won't get sucked out on in no limit, which is far from the truth.

Getting out drawn happens, no matter the game or the stakes. To say otherwise is stupid, and that is the reason I don't like you. And if you keep pissing people off at the rate your posting, don't expect to stick around here long, okay.

not sure if you've noticed but you get drawn out a lot more in limit because people have the pot odds to do so. Im not referring to the start of this thread because tbh i haven't a clue what it said but you're an idiot to say that you get drawn out more often on NL.

I know you get drawn out on NL but it's just not as much of a big part as it is of Limit. Betting $20 when the pot is say $400 is so stupid - it means someone with a back door flush draw has pot odds to call!

Seriously Pates, the thing that frustrates me about you is that you talk a fairly big game, like saying that you pay all your bills with poker and bought a car etc. But then when you talk about finer points you dont really seem like you know what you are talking about. This is just what it seems like to me. At your young age (in life as well as poker) you should not approach everything as if you already have it figured out, and have determined a better alternative. You seriously need to talk to some of the better Limit players on this site, like Steve-O who make a very good living at it. Your opinion of limit is very, well limited and it does not seem like you have played much at all. And no, I am not simply trying to dog on you.


And thanks to Trons for the indepth covereage of my play by play. The only mistake you made was thinking that I slowplayed the trips. I actually led out after the flop for that very reason, to fight the drawing flushes. I made quads on the turn, and that was when I slowed down. But after reading what you said I understand more why betting on the turn was probably a better idea.

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im pates' brother and he wanted me to tell you that you have him confused with the other 17 yr old who makes his living on poker. Pates does not make his living on poker and does not show off, you simply mis-interpret his opinions or misunderstand his thoughts about himself and depict him as an arrogant tosser. he says he would like an apology because you upset him very much, his words not mine

OMG! He got his brother to come on and make an account so he could vent at me!!! He owes me and everyone else on this forum an apology for being a jackass for the last few days!!! Ask him why he is banned!!!

And yes, I did get him confused with someone else about the car and bills. For that I do apologize. But you ARE running around with an attitude of teaching since you got to this forum. You have acted as though nobody on here has any idea what they are doing, and you constantly question and act unteachable. Then you get pissy when someone jumps on you about errors.

Believe me it is WE that need the apology.

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he told me he was just voicing his opinion. apparently you lot have been at his throat since day one. something to do with marm having a bitch at him on his first post. i haven't read all the stuff he's said so i cant make an opinion, this is just what he's telling me and i don't think he'd lie to me.

he wants you guys to make a thread about what you hate about him so that he can change his ways when he comes back in a week