I'm not much good at ring games either unless it's cleaning out my college buddies

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Well work at it. I wasn't much good at ring either, but I can do OK now. I prefer tourney by far, and it is more profitable for me but I was foolish for not learning ring earlier.

SnGs are completely different from MTTs as people have said, but I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick by playing looser in SnGs. My MTT game is a lot looser preflop than my SnG.

I wonder if your loose SnG game is prone to big variance resulting in a big upswings and downswings.

How many buy-ins (and what is your in the money and ROI) are you talking about? You made the $200 that wasn't from the MTT and a $200 profit at $20/2 SnGs is not significant and easily lost with exactly the same playing style that won it.

I hear ya. I'm still taking off a few weeks (I can put that crappy $90 to a bill so I'm going to) and then coming back with a clear head and more BR friendly strategy.

PS has low limits so I'll probably go there. DR is wanted too much out of me for opening a real money account so they're out of the question.

I played Paradise for about 4 months and hated it.

Any other low-limit, decent sites?

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I would say that this is another problem with calculating BR requirements for SnGs... peoples play style affects variance which in turn affects BR requirements.

Your style Sean is probably

a. A losing stlye in which no BR is large enough for

b. A style with High variance in which a large BR is required

My $200 from SnG's was from mainly $10 SnG's where first takes $40. So it looks like I won 5 of those, but was able to lose not only that money but my MTT prize money on higher priced SnG's.

I just recently got a SnG tracking spreadsheet but hasn't been used yet. I have it for when I come back to playing in a few weeks.

So for your exact questions, I can't answer, sorry.

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My advice:

Get pokertracker and start tracking your SnGs

Have about 30 BIs in your roll for the level you are playing

After you have about 70 SnGs tracked, look at your ROI... you should be positive at least

Post some of your hands you have trouble here with on PFO... after a day of playing look back on your SnGs on PT and examine your bustout hands or hands that hurt you... think about what you did wrong and what you can do next time to correct your play.

I think you've answered the question.

Until you have at least 100 (and probably 200-300) buy-ins at a level it's hard to say whether you have a profitable game or not. A handful of wins could be achieved with a losing game quite easily.

I think his problem is that he plays underolled and he will never be able to play 100-200-300 BIs at a level because he goes broke too quickly.

So for $5 SnG's I should be sporting a roll of $500 or so?

Wow, looks like I'll need to finish high in some MTT's to get there because there's no way I'll come up with that kind of dough as a 19 year old college student whose parents are split and in debt until they die

So if I put $50 into a site in the near future, I should look for $1 SnG's and less until I'm built up to support $5?

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