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  1. #1
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    Default Do We Fold Trips???

    (Cross posted from PTP)


    Villain is a reg running 14/11/5.4

    Am i ever ahead here? Without any history is this ever a bluff or worse jack?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #26019806426: Table Julie - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 07:50:14 ET - 2010/12/01
    Seat 1: PizzacatLV ($132.95)
    Seat 2: Chris2612 ($98.50)
    Seat 3: Anthrax0r ($100)
    Seat 4: mikecua ($64.95)
    Seat 5: brokeback74 ($95.95)
    Seat 6: BigTunna99 ($106.75)
    Seat 7: VogelB5 ($203)
    Seat 8: 523027 ($84.80)
    Seat 9: HotCris_87 ($0), is sitting out
    mikecua posts the small blind of $0.50
    brokeback74 posts the big blind of $1
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BigTunna99
    BigTunna99 raises to $3
    VogelB5 folds
    HotCris_87 adds $100
    523027 folds
    PizzacatLV calls $3
    HotCris_87 has returned
    Chris2612 folds
    Anthrax0r folds
    mikecua has 15 seconds left to act
    mikecua folds
    brokeback74 has 15 seconds left to act
    brokeback74 folds
    *** FLOP ***
    BigTunna99 bets $5
    PizzacatLV raises to $17
    BigTunna99 calls $12
    *** TURN ***
    BigTunna99 checks
    PizzacatLV has 15 seconds left to act
    PizzacatLV bets $27
    BigTunna99 calls $27
    *** RIVER ***
    BigTunna99 checks
    PizzacatLV bets $85.95, and is all in
    BigTunna99 has 15 seconds left to act
    BigTunna99 has timed out
    BigTunna99 folds
    BigTunna99 adds $40.25
    BigTunna99 is sitting out
    Uncalled bet of $85.95 returned to PizzacatLV
    PizzacatLV mucks
    PizzacatLV wins the pot ($92.50)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $95.50 | Rake $3
    Board:
    Seat 1: PizzacatLV collected ($92.50), mucked
    Seat 2: Chris2612 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: Anthrax0r (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: mikecua (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: brokeback74 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: BigTunna99 folded on the River
    Seat 7: VogelB5 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: 523027 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: HotCris_87 is sitting out


    Discuss...

  2. #2
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    I think if you would have 3 bet the flop you would have had your answer. You gave up the lead on the betting and opponent took control. Since there was no 3 bet PF, I don't know if I could put my opponent on AJ or KJ. esp you being UTG with a standard raise. He didn't look you up PF, and you didn't look him up on the flop.

    If he was bluffing, all in was the only bet he could make to push you off the hand. It could easily been a 3 barrel, or a worse trips. I don't see if he would be so aggressive with a made Full house possibly.
    Last edited by Jarr3tt88; 09-15-2011 at 08:45 PM.

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    I agree. I dont think he can ever have flopped a full house...he just wouldn't play it like that...I think he'd call your flop bet and hope you keep betting on the turn. I think i'd make a crying call on the river, hoping to see a worse Jack. I have no idea if that play is profitable over the long term!

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    I don't like how BigTuna goes into what looks to be pot control mode, unless he was letting the hijack hang himself. And if that was the case, he should've called the river. There is only one Jack in the deck, I'm calling often just for that reasoning alone.

    I also think it's possible that the villain has a worse Jack, although after I see he's running tightish stats, I'm not so sure.

    I'm kind of leaning towards a bluff, or a semi-poorly played Jack (imo). I can't see someone taking the lead in betting if they're so sure of their hand on this semi-dry board.

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    You didn't play this hand matt?

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    No, none of these hands are hands that I played. These are all hands cross posted from PTP.

    If I had some hand histories saved I'd post them, but since I don't, I'm grabbing some semi-interesting ones from PTP to get some discussion going.

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    Usually these are based on hands YOU played so that the discussion includes thought process from the player. We can't know what he was thinking as to why he folded to the river all in bet because we don't know what hand he put his opponent on...Nor the way he played the rest of the hand.

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    They do have the player's thoughts in the posts (I grab the entire OP) -- history, loose/tight, stats, etc. So there is enough info to have a discussion on the hand. Not to mention that the threads I pulled these out of on PTP had plenty of discussion going.

    I mean, if anything else, doing this gets everyone active (when hardly anyone was to begin with) and might encourage new posters to get some hands up of their own. I'm only trying to help. If you don't think this helps, let me know and I'll come up with something else.

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    Well, it does help everyone else develop their reading, so I don't see how it could hurt. I just meant that the OP (from original post) his thoughts aren't there. Could you post his thoughts from the original thread?

    Its good to see how others think a hand through. You know what I mean? There is no thought process. Why didn't he 3 bet on flop? Why check/call turn and check/fold river all in....? What did he put his opponent on. There was a flat call PF...Things like this, helps put the puzzle together. Why call the flop raise, and turn bet but fold river. The King didn't really change anything. Either he had AJ or KJ all along, or weak jack or nothing. If he put opponent on KJ or AJ, why even call turn bet at all?
    Last edited by Jarr3tt88; 09-19-2011 at 08:50 AM.

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    Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and agree. I just figured while it's not optimal, it's better than nothing. I really do wish I had my hand histories. I could post tens of hands, if not maybe a couple hundred.

    I'll take a look and see if he posted any of this thoughts. I'm grabbing the entire OP, so unless they've included their thoughts later on, they're probably not there. I'll be sure to look in the future though when posting these.

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