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    0.02/0.05 NL Hold 'Em Ring Game. Late Position. AQ diamonds. There are 2 callers to me, so I raise 0.15. Button position calls, the rest fold. Flop is 7-8-5 rainbow with a diamond. I decide to cont bet 0.22 into a pot of 0.33, figuring If I'm called I can still improve my hand, raised I fold. Snap call.

    The pot stands at around 0.80. The turn is a Q. Now I'm thinking he's on a draw and bet around 0.55 to get him off. A little hesitancy, but there's still a call.

    The turn is a 10. No flush draws on board. 7-8-5-Q-10. Obviously a terrible card for me, but I didn't feel he was holding 9-6. The pot stands around 2$. I feel if I check he'll bet at least 1.50, or perhaps even go all in for his remaining 2.30$. So instead of facing a tough decision I bet an amount that if he has a medium/low set, he won't get greedy and raise, thinking I could still re-raise him. I bet 1.10$. He snap calls.

    Shows 10-7 of clubs for the winning two pair.

    Were my bet sizes off? He had a back door flush draw, as did I so did that make calling profitable?

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    If there were two limpers before action on you... raise more preflop IMO. I think .25 or .30 prelfop is appropriate bet.

    Also, any reads or stats on the button? What range did you put him on preflop/ on flop?
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    So more than the standard 3-4x BB? I guess that makes sense, even though AQ is not that strong and quite tricky to play. Games at these stakes are incredibly loose. People raising with K-10 all over the place.

    I had just arrived to the table to I hadn't seen much of him, but he seemed to be in many hands and I classified him as loose/passive. I thought he might've had suited connectors or some micro pair, the way he just called, as if eager to see another card.
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    I normally raise something like (3+ #limpers) x BB

    It looks like this player is not going to lay down anything. You should be giving him tons of attention. Also, value bet the hell out of him. Players like this will easily stack off with just TP.

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    What prof said, PFR should be 3-5x, BUT in mircos I raise more. in 5nl I'd raise .25-.30 PF standard, but if there is limpers, you add a bet for each one. so two limpers woulda been .40 raise PF in that situation. For c-bets, I like to atleast bet the pot size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRua View Post
    0.02/0.05 NL Hold 'Em Ring Game. Late Position. AQ diamonds. There are 2 callers to me, so I raise 0.15. Button position calls, the rest fold.
    Quote Originally Posted by profnabeshin View Post
    I normally raise something like (3+ #limpers) x BB

    It looks like this player is not going to lay down anything. You should be giving him tons of attention. Also, value bet the hell out of him. Players like this will easily stack off with just TP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarr3tt88 View Post
    What prof said, PFR should be 3-5x, BUT in mircos I raise more. in 5nl I'd raise .25-.30 PF standard, but if there is limpers, you add a bet for each one. so two limpers woulda been .40 raise PF in that situation. For c-bets, I like to atleast bet the pot size.
    What was the purpose of your raise? AQs is the type of hand that plays well heads-up or multi-handed. If you were trying to get heads-up against one opponent, then this raise was terrible. I'm shocked that the two limpers actually folded. They know nothing about pot odds (note?). If you wanted to take the flop multi-handed, then it's a good raise. Also known as a pot sweetener. Of course, when you raise for this purpose, you are looking for a big hand that beats multiple opponents, which TP rarely does. Therefore, you need a plan for what you will do in certain flop situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRua View Post
    Flop is 7-8-5 rainbow with a diamond. I decide to cont bet 0.22 into a pot of 0.33, figuring If I'm called I can still improve my hand, raised I fold. Snap call.
    I count .47 in the pot. 2 limpers (.10), you (.15), Button (.15) and the blinds (.07). If that's the case, your .22 c-bet is too small. I'd bet .35. Just make sure to mix up your c-bet sizing, overlapping with your v-bet sizing, and add in some checks in both situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRua View Post
    The pot stands at around 0.80. The turn is a Q. Now I'm thinking he's on a draw and bet around 0.55 to get him off. A little hesitancy, but there's still a call.
    .91 in the pot by my count. At these stakes, a cold-call PF with a flop call can mean anything. These players will call with draws, weak pairs, TP, and monsters. The turn is where they clarify their hands. Most monster hands will raise here. Draws and weak pairs (and Ax) will typically call, though a few will fold. I like your bet size here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRua View Post
    The river is a 10. No flush draws on board. 7-8-5-Q-10. Obviously a terrible card for me, but I didn't feel he was holding 9-6. The pot stands around 2$. I feel if I check he'll bet at least 1.50, or perhaps even go all in for his remaining 2.30$. So instead of facing a tough decision I bet an amount that if he has a medium/low set, he won't get greedy and raise, thinking I could still re-raise him. I bet 1.10$. He snap calls.

    Shows 10-7 of clubs for the winning two pair.

    Were my bet sizes off? He had a back door flush draw, as did I so did that make calling profitable?
    Why is the 10 a terrible card? 96 has you beat on the flop. The only straight that now beats you is J9. So really, the only hands to fear are QT, J9, T8, T7, and T5. (Most other two pair and set hands usually raise the turn). This has to be a small portion of his range, so I'm value betting this. With effective stacks of $2.30, how can you re-raise him when you bet $1.10? A min-raise leaves him with .10 left. If he raises this, he's shoving. So what are you doing if he shoves? If you are calling, you might as well put him all-in. If folding, then I'd bet smaller, say 0.80.

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    i feel your bet sizing can be a bit more susbtantial ( but no too much)

    3x for every limper then if you want to c-bet flop do so for around 40-60% of flop. if you get callers you are shutting down unless you hit. once you hit your Q and you are first to bet then bet around 70-85% of pot. river you can thrown in a nice bet and if you get raised fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRua View Post
    0.02/0.05 NL Hold 'Em Ring Game. Late Position. AQ diamonds. There are 2 callers to me, so I raise 0.15. Button position calls, the rest fold. Flop is 7-8-5 rainbow with a diamond. I decide to cont bet 0.22 into a pot of 0.33, figuring If I'm called I can still improve my hand, raised I fold. Snap call.

    The pot stands at around 0.80. The turn is a Q. Now I'm thinking he's on a draw and bet around 0.55 to get him off. A little hesitancy, but there's still a call.

    The turn is a 10. No flush draws on board. 7-8-5-Q-10. Obviously a terrible card for me, but I didn't feel he was holding 9-6. The pot stands around 2$. I feel if I check he'll bet at least 1.50, or perhaps even go all in for his remaining 2.30$. So instead of facing a tough decision I bet an amount that if he has a medium/low set, he won't get greedy and raise, thinking I could still re-raise him. I bet 1.10$. He snap calls.

    Shows 10-7 of clubs for the winning two pair.

    Were my bet sizes off? He had a back door flush draw, as did I so did that make calling profitable?
    bet larger on flop and turn.

    remember that when you're value betting you aren't trying to get people off draws, you want them to call.

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    Your pre-flop raise is too small. You should always take the free card on that flop as well, you're probably behind and it prevents ugly spots like this from costing you a lot of money. As played though, betting the turn and river is a good idea.

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    you should have done a bigger raise on the flop .. could have helped you alot

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