Tear me a new one on this one. Screwed up each and every street, maybe not the river. FPS at it's worst.
BOTH villians were fishies. High VPIP, Low PFR and AFq.
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1160577
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is SB with 7K
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB checks
Flop: (3 SB) 7A
7
(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls
Turn: (3 BB) 2(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks
River: (3 BB) 3(3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls
Final Pot: 9 BB
Hero shows 7K
(three of a kind, Sevens)
BB mucks TT
Hero wins 8.6 BB
(Rake: $0.04)
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02-06-2011 #1
FPS: lets all make fun of the donk!
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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02-06-2011 #2
This kind of goes along with your other hand because you're once again OOP. I almost always lead in these spots simply to keep my range from becoming polarized --considering you either have to check-raise or attempt some other Fancy Play which gives your hand strength away if you don't bet out. A limped pot, with just two opponents, and a low-paired board I probably lead out at least 50% of the time regardless of my hand from the SB
As played I think you have to fire the turn, and hope one of them has an Ace, if they don't it is likely to get checked around. If you bet the turn and get called by the TT guy I would then go for a check-raise on the river, like you were betting a flush draw on the turn or small pair about 25% of the time, and just lead out the majority of the time, especially if he is as you described loose/passive.Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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02-07-2011 #3
Another one.... I like my betting PF and Flop, but... but.... but WTF was I smoking on the turn and river? Villian is a TAG. MAYBE, MAYBE I was thinking I could get him to fold on the turn too... but then WTH was he calling with PF. The call I was getting about 6-1, which If I put him on... a Q... but what Q? Is he really going to call with KQ? So I have 3 outs at best.... shoulda folded that turn... And then I hit? And I check? wtf.... Bad MARM! BAD!
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1162172
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is UTG with K
A
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 5 folds
Flop: (5.4 SB) 6
9
7
(2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls
Turn: (3.7 BB) Q
(2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls
River: (7.7 BB) K
(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks
Final Pot: 7.7 BB
Hero shows K
A
(a pair of Kings)
MP1 mucks A
Q
Hero wins 7.4 BB
(Rake: $0.03)Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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02-07-2011 #4
I think the turn is a check/fold. When he raises you it puts him on a range of KQ,KK,AQ. (KK is unlikely as they should have reraised preflop)
You are drawing so thin that even if you hit you may run into 2 pair. If river is a K, you can only beat AQ, if A on river you can only beat KQ or KK.
Given that, I don't hate a check/call on river.
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02-07-2011 #5
I don't know on this one, he could be raising a wide variety of hands here on the turn, he may have called with QTs, JTs, QK or other flush draw on the flop that he now feels comfortable betting --as well as the AQ flopped set type hands. So I think your turn call is only slightly poor. I don't think you played either street badly, just for the wrong reasons
Hitting the King is good, but doesn't change too much, I think check-calling the river is the right play since it completes one of the semi-bluffs he may have been running with JT. I think leading into him on the river loses you more money than it gains: If your range for his hands on the turn was AQ, KQ, QJ, JT, QT, and to a lesser extent 66, 77, 99, 88, TT your not going to get more value leading into him than letting him bet himself --really only AQ, QJ, and QT checks behind here (as well as the unlikely but possible 88 and TT), and most people would value bet those hands in this spot.
Since you're never bluffing a better hand out of the pot the math is pretty easy: I think you're getting called/raised 90% of the time if you lead into him, but I also think you're getting raised by a superior hand close to 40% of those times based on the range above (note: Math done in head). So, leading out wins 1 BB 50 times, and loses 2BB 40 times for a net loss of about -30 Big bets per 100 hands
On the other hand if you check-call 100% of the time and he bets the 40% he has you beat + another 25% with lesser hands and bluffs you only lose 15 BB/100. He would have to bet Qx and bluff less than 10% of the time for leading into him to be the better play, and with a flush draw on the flop you should get way more than 10% just in bluffs from clubs, or the 88, TT hands which should definitely be in his range for flatting pre-flop
Also: Unless his read on you was spot on, I would note that this guy misses value with his good hands in position, and its probably not a good idea to thin value bet himRead my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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