Was this correct fold ?

**ImNotSpecial** · 12-16-2010

I had position, but this guy was a huge multi tabler... playing tight i would assume.. possibly KK AA ? AK at the very least.. i would expect a shove with QQ JJ from him or a flat call...

Full Tilt Poker Game #26444969511: Table Mercury - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 08:57:03 ET - 2010/12/16
Seat 1: achim at home ($74.05)
Seat 2: Solohay ($26.40)
Seat 3: pmw62 ($49.25)
Seat 4: Gnomates ($51.25)
Seat 5: KrasenYY ($50)
Seat 6: EskimoKing11 ($46.25)
Seat 7: Dudermont ($20)
Seat 8: kippetjuhh ($20.55)
Seat 9: ImNotSpecial ($179.75)
achim at home posts the small blind of $0.25
Solohay posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ImNotSpecial [Jc Jd]
pmw62 folds
Gnomates folds
KrasenYY folds
EskimoKing11 has 8 seconds left to act
EskimoKing11 raises to $1.75
Dudermont folds
kippetjuhh calls $1.75
ImNotSpecial raises to $8
achim at home folds
Solohay folds
EskimoKing11 has 15 seconds left to act
EskimoKing11 raises to $27
kippetjuhh folds
ImNotSpecial has 15 seconds left to act
ImNotSpecial has requested TIME
ImNotSpecial: folding JJ
ImNotSpecial folds
Uncalled bet of $19 returned to EskimoKing11
EskimoKing11 mucks
EskimoKing11 wins the pot ($18.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.50 | Rake $0

Seat 6: EskimoKing11 collected ($18.50), mucked

Seat 9: ImNotSpecial (button) folded before the Flop

**B2BAces** · 12-16-2010

Any past hands vs him , your table image and HUD stats would help a lot , especially 3bet percentage .

I remember this from the WSOP days "There are two ways to play JJ , both of them wrong"

**ImNotSpecial** · 12-16-2010

J's are always trouble unless you flop a set with rags...
No past hands with him, but i know hes a huge multi tabler (probably professional)
I think i folded mainly because he didnt shuv, he looked strong 3betting which could of meant AK QQ KK,,, but if an A K Q came on flop, im allready commited to it IMO.

**Marm** · 12-16-2010

I've noticed in both your posts youlike to chat it up at the table.

Why give away so much info?

And I think you over-bet a bit Preflop. A 75% raise or so would have given you the same info, so about $3-$5.

But If your going to raise this PF, and a big raise at that, but yet fold it to a push/ reraise, why bother raising?

Leave yourself more outs next time.

And if you think he's tight, playing pairs and Big Aces, then you need to take the flop. I really think a flat call Preflop here would have been your best bet. Play this for set/over pair value.

Course, it becomes even worse when the flop is 379 rainbow, and he pots it. Then your screwed.

Jacks suck in NL.

**Pinguaq** · 12-16-2010

Did he have you beat? Probably. Maybe AKs. Why such a big raise if not ready for push? Never, never say what you're folding. Makes no sense at all.

**ImNotSpecial** · 12-17-2010

Okay so tip 1,
keep my mouth shut about my hands...
tip 2, probably best to see a flop as cheap as possible...

thanks guys. helps a lot

**Pinguaq** · 12-17-2010

Point is you could have got the same information with a raise to say... $4 and been prepared to fold with a big 4bet back. Would have saved yourself $4. Simply calling was a decent option as well.

**Marm** · 12-17-2010

Originally Posted by ImNotSpecial

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tip 2, probably best to see a flop as cheap as possible...

Well..... not really.... but sorta.

Read what ping said.

But "cheap as possible" will also lead you into some bad spots too.

**piv** · 01-06-2011

lol this forum

call preflop because

1) opening ranges are just stupid at FR to start with
2) there is nothing he opens/flats that you beat
3) he will probably 4b or fold pre
4) you're crushed by his 4b range so getting in pre is terrible
5) 3betting will fold out worse hands that you get value from postflop

hopefully this gives you an understanding of why you want to flat pre

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