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    Default Help on this one

    Can I have a little help with this one? The villan was my target, so I did raise a bit more than I probably should have pf and on the flop, but would you have played the same post flop?

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    SB ($50)
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    Hero (UTG+1) ($101.45)
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    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, K
    1 fold, Hero bets $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50
    Flop: ($8) 2, 8, K (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $9, 1 fold, SB raises to $22, 1 fold, Hero calls $13
    Turn: ($52) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $26 (All-In), Hero calls $26
    River: ($104) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
    Total pot: $104 | Rake: $3
    Results:
    SB had A, 5 (one pair, Aces).
    Hero had J, K (one pair, Kings).
    Outcome: SB won $101
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    K-J is considered "Trouble hands" when offsuited and I would never call a pf raise while carrying these cards on my hand. I can see you did the raise by yourself, which I do understand since you had the most money on the table. The $2 raise was correctly done IMO.

    A $9 raise on the flop was maybe a little too risky, though you made a pair of kings on the flop, but if I were in the same situation I would never call the $22 raise. I would in first place, have checked on the flop, and generally play the hand slow because there are so many ways your opponent can beat your hand.

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    Probably fold pre in a full ring game (I play 6max so not sure).

    Flop is an ez fold.
    Why did you bet $9 into $8 on the flop btw? $6 would be fine, get enough value from flushdraws, worse pairs etc.

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    I admit that I played this very badly. I knew damn well he had a flush draw and was hoping he didn't hit. It didn't occur to me that he had an Ace as well, which was the killer in the end. Yes, should definitely have folded the $22 raise on the flop. I think I bet $9 into the $8 pot to try and push anyone off who had a flush draw, obviously didn't work.

    I deserved to lose this one. I made the money back quite quickly but was kicking myself for a while afterwards.
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    1) We're betting to charge the flush draws, not to push them off. We want them to call with bad odds. And we bet to get weaker made hands to call. But betting $9 into $8 generally means you're narrowing down the amount of weaker hands that can call which is why it's probably bad.

    2) You got all your money in good, equity wise. So be happy.

    3) The flop is a fold mainly because of the range of hands that we're up against, we're only slightly ahead when we're winning, and we're pretty much crushed when we're behind.

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    if he's the mark and agro get it in on the flop

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    ^Even in nitring?

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    Fold preflop. I'd raise this in late position, maybe middle depending on the table.

    Unless you have seen villian donk around and call preflop with Ax / Kx and stay married to top pair, then this is a fold on the flop.
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