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  1. 02-17-2010 #1
    jedwards242000
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    Default is this a bad play ?

    This was about 10 hands in after i sat down

    Stage #1912367469: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-02-18 01:51:45 (ET)
    Table: Lazy St (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Seat 5 - HEYZEUS4 ($65.81 in chips)
    Seat 6 - GETPAID21 ($53.05 in chips)
    Seat 7 - JAYOE45 ($47.90 in chips)
    Seat 8 - JBONE713 ($32.40 in chips)
    Seat 9 - 4JACKSBANDIT ($10.35 in chips)
    Seat 1 - DRAGONACE222 ($15.95 in chips)
    Seat 2 - 6POINT ($12.55 in chips)
    Seat 3 - BK2005 ($60.35 in chips)
    Seat 4 - ELYAT ($54.25 in chips)
    GETPAID21 - Posts small blind $0.25
    JAYOE45 - Posts big blind $0.50
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to JAYOE45 [Kc Kd]
    JBONE713 - Calls $0.50
    4JACKSBANDIT - Raises $1.00 to $1.00
    DRAGONACE222 - Folds
    6POINT - Folds
    BK2005 - Folds
    ELYAT - Folds
    HEYZEUS4 - Folds
    GETPAID21 - Calls $0.75
    JAYOE45 - Raises $3.50 to $4.00
    JBONE713 - Calls $3.50
    4JACKSBANDIT - Folds
    GETPAID21 - Calls $3.00
    *** FLOP *** [10d 8s 3c]
    GETPAID21 - Checks
    JAYOE45 - Bets $20.00
    JBONE713 - Folds
    GETPAID21 - All-In(Raise) $49.05 to $49.05
    JAYOE45 - All-In $23.90
    GETPAID21 - returned ($5.15) : not called
    *** TURN *** [10d 8s 3c] [Qh]
    *** RIVER *** [10d 8s 3c Qh] [2d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    GETPAID21 - Shows [3s 3d] (Three of a kind, threes)
    JAYOE45 - Shows [Kc Kd] (One pair, kings)
    GETPAID21 Collects $97.30 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($100.80) | Rake ($3.00) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
    Board [10d 8s 3c Qh 2d]
    Seat 1: DRAGONACE222 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: 6POINT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: BK2005 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 4: ELYAT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: HEYZEUS4 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: GETPAID21 (small blind) won Total ($97.30) All-In HI$97.30) with Three of a kind, threes [3s 3d - P,P,B,B,B:10d]
    Seat 7: JAYOE45 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [Kc Kd - P,P,B,B:10d,B]
    Seat 8: JBONE713 Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 9: 4JACKSBANDIT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
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  2. 02-18-2010 #2
    breathoflife89
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    Why are you betting $20 into $13 or something? Once you bet $20, you can't ever really fold for an effective min-raise.
    But as a standard, I make it a little more than half pot in 3bet pots when it's HU and a little more than that when it's multiway.
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  3. 02-18-2010 #3
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    Depends on villain. If he's loose and fishy, then you're ahead of his range a lot of the time and this is a cooler. But if he's a solid player, you have to put him on a tighter range.

    Since you gave us the results it's hard not to skew my view, so I'll just analyze the process as best I can.

    He called the initial PF raise from the SB and then called the 3bet after the UTG limper called. This seems like any PP below QQ or JJ, for setmining value; QQ+ (maybe sometimes JJ) he's probably 3betting PF. He'd likely throw away AT and most of the time any JT/T9 suited (because of his position), to your PF 3bet. So his range is 22-TT (sometimes JJ). Now, he probably knows you have JJ+ or AK, so when you bet more than the pot on such a dry flop, he likely knows you have an overpair and would probably only be check-raising here with a set.

    Easier to say that knowing what he had, but if you think it through, it makes sense. Of course, that's only the case if he's a good solid player. Sometimes really aggro players might do that with any pair regardless of hitting a set, or might play AT/JTs/T9s there, not giving you credit for an overpair.
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  4. 02-18-2010 #4
    jedwards242000
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    ok i just hate this situation when its ten hands in, i have no info on the guy other then he hasnt been crazy to this point
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  5. 03-12-2010 #5
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    Uh wow, bet like $7 on the flop, not $20. As played, I guess you have to stack off, but damn dude, you make it real easy for people to get away from worse hands.
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