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Thread: river shove

  1. #1
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    Default river shove

    Player was 12 / 10 (few hands played)

    my thoughts:
    preflop: 12/10 first to call a 4BB raise... maybe AT+ / 22-TT (QQ unlikely)
    flop: wouldn't call with AT+, a set or QQ, so 44 or 66+
    turn: (if my hand range is correct, he has few outs, so if I give 1-3 odds I'm fine) ... then he calls... 44? TT? [confused]
    river: confused, maybe I could have got away putting on 44... or raised more on the turn (although I was trying to control the pot a little, since I was wa/wb)


    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($9.95)
    Button ($10)
    SB ($13.33)
    BB ($20.83)
    Hero (UTG) ($10.82)
    MP1 ($11.66)
    MP2 ($4.90)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
    Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30

    Flop: ($1.25) 2, 3, 5 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, Button calls $1.10, BB calls $1.10

    Turn: ($4.55) 3 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold

    River: ($8.55) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $6.50 (All-In), Hero calls $6.50

    Total pot: $21.55 | Rake: $1.43

    Results:
    Button had 4, 5 (straight, six high).
    Hero had J, J (two pair, Jacks and threes).
    Outcome: Button won $20.12
    Last edited by kavelot; 02-12-2010 at 12:52 PM.

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    Well, he could just be a bad player calling with 4H 5H. Especially if he makes a lot of loose calls. However, if you take into account he has position with the button, it's not the worst call with a suited connector. People tend to call a lot more off the button. If he put you on two big cards and he hit a pair, with like a 7 high flop, he thinks he's probably good.

    Personally, I probably wouldn't make the call unless I had a couple of other callers coming in boosting the pot odds. However, you do have to mix your play a bit so your not too predictable.

    I saw the range of hands you put this guy in and, in general, that is a good range to put someone one, but not when they are on the button. You have to open up to the possibilities of more hands in that case.

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    $3.50 on turn.
    As played, Check fold river. He doesn't turn his 5x into a bluff nearly ever.
    $6.50 into a pot of $15, so you're getting 2.3-1 which seems decent odds but it's effectively readless. Just fold and save yourself the hassle. He needs to bluff with all of his missed hearts for you to call profitably here.

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    I like button. Yeah, I'm doubting that I'm calling that river bet with a 4 card straight/trips/fh out there. I mean I don't think you're good enough times to justify.

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    Don't show results next time.
    Previously thought to be sane.

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    bet twice as big on the turn and shove the river

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    Just shove the turn. He has less than 2x pot left and would call with any pair bigger than 6s aswell as some draws.
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    Bet way bigger on the turn. As played, probably just fold. In theory he has a lot of heart combos he should be bluffing with, but in practice no one ever has the stones to shove in their stack on a bluff.

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    I rarely think he will bluff river when you check so if you are going to call his river shove you should just shove the river. He will pay you off with worse hands that would check behind.

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