[NLHE] .01/.02 9-Hand Ring

**NeedsAdvice** · 10-04-2009

Villain had been playing pretty tight and much less aggressive than I had been in the 100 hands we had played on the table. This play caught me off-guard. I know some might say I should have raised pre-flop, but I had been doing a lot of raising with a lot of hands so far and wanted to approach this one differently.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15131723603: Table Bird Rock - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:01:42 ET - 2009/10/05
Seat 1: titobach ($1.85)
Seat 2: XxcastxX ($0.38)
Seat 3: ShuricS ($1.83)
Seat 4: jjkk200 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 5: PLcardshark619 ($2.08)
Seat 6: Bar Wench 79 ($3.27)
Seat 7: Villain ($2.05)
Seat 8: Hero ($3.91)
Seat 9: dLemko ($2.16)
Villain posts the small blind of $0.01
Hero posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HackJoffman [Ac Ks]
dLemko folds
titobach calls $0.02
XxcastxX folds
Hero: nh
ShuricS calls $0.02
PLcardshark619 calls $0.02
jjkk200 adds $0.80
Bar Wench 79 folds
jjkk200 has returned
Villain calls $0.01
Hero checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 9s Jd]
Villain has 15 seconds left to act
Villain bets $0.20
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Hero raises to $0.60
titobach folds
ShuricS folds
PLcardshark619 folds
Villain calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [Kd 9s Jd] [9h]
Villain bets $1.43, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $1.43 returned to Villain
Villain mucks
Villain wins the pot ($1.22)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.30 | Rake $0.08
Board: [Kd 9s Jd 9h]
Seat 1: titobach folded on the Flop
Seat 2: XxcastxX didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ShuricS folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jjkk200 is sitting out
Seat 5: PLcardshark619 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bar Wench 79 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Villain (small blind) collected ($1.22), mucked
Seat 8: Hero (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: dLemko didn't bet (folded)

**KRE8R** · 10-06-2009

Man, you gotta convert these. Too hard to read.

**triple-t** · 10-07-2009

Full Tilt No Limit Hold-em, Big Blind is $0.02 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from triple-t
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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($1.85)
MP1 ($0.38)
MP2 ($1.83)
CO ($2.08)
Button ($3.27)
SB ($2.05)
Hero ($3.91)
UTG ($2.16)
Hero is BB with

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Pre-Flop:
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, 1 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (Pot=$0.10)

(5 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (Pot=$1.30)

(2 players)
SB bets $1.43 All-In, Hero folds.

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**triple-t** · 10-07-2009

PF, you really need to put in a healthy raise because AKo prefers short-handed flops, you are OOP, and you want to start to build a bigger pot if you hit.

This flop is a bad flop for AKo. Yeah, you got TPTK, but since it's a multiway limped pot, this flop had to hit your opponents hard. Look at the hands that now beat you... KJ, K9, QT, J9, plus hands like JT, T9, and to lesser extent KT have about a billion outs to beat you. Plus with 3 to act behind, there's usually a flush draw out there as well. Basically, 1/2 the deck is bad for you if it hits on the turn or river. Therefore, I'm never raising here. I'll call here to keep the pot small then re-evaluate on the turn, but really, with all the bad juju coming from this hand, I don't think folding is that bad of a play.

Definite fold on the turn.

**KRE8R** · 10-07-2009

Raise it preflop every single time. You said you had been raising a lot and wanted to play this one different? The reason you raise a lot of hands is so that you can pick people off easily when you do spike a big hand. Changing up your pattern suddenly just reveals your hands strength. You need to raise this preflop here every time.

As for the flop, well it would be much easier to play if you had raised. Since you didnt at this level I go into call down mode frankly. Probably fold the turn. I think you are rarely ahead here.

**triple-t** · 10-07-2009

Originally Posted by KRE8R

Raise it preflop every single time. You said you had been raising a lot and wanted to play this one different? The reason you raise a lot of hands is so that you can pick people off easily when you do spike a big hand. Changing up your pattern suddenly just reveals your hands strength. You need to raise this preflop here every time.

As for the flop, well it would be much easier to play if you had raised. Since you didnt at this level I go into call down mode frankly. Probably fold the turn. I think you are rarely ahead here.

You could have saved a lot of typing by saying "+1"

**NeedsAdvice** · 10-07-2009

Originally Posted by triple-t

PF, you really need to put in a healthy raise because AKo prefers short-handed flops, you are OOP, and you want to start to build a bigger pot if you hit.

This flop is a bad flop for AKo. Yeah, you got TPTK, but since it's a multiway limped pot, this flop had to hit your opponents hard. Look at the hands that now beat you... KJ, K9, QT, J9, plus hands like JT, T9, and to lesser extent KT have about a billion outs to beat you. Plus with 3 to act behind, there's usually a flush draw out there as well. Basically, 1/2 the deck is bad for you if it hits on the turn or river. Therefore, I'm never raising here. I'll call here to keep the pot small then re-evaluate on the turn, but really, with all the bad juju coming from this hand, I don't think folding is that bad of a play.

Definite fold on the turn.

Thanks for the advice. You're right; it definitely should have been played this way. I'm still learning the in's and out's of some parts of the game. I appreciate the help.

**triple-t** · 10-08-2009

Originally Posted by NeedsAdvice

Thanks for the advice. You're right; it definitely should have been played this way. I'm still learning the in's and out's of some parts of the game. I appreciate the help.

One of the hardest things for us micro players is learning that there's no need to change up our play. The other players (99% of them) aren't paying attention and they still play their hands face up. Here's a couple of things that you should keep in mind about the average micro-donk:

1. They rarely fold a pair.
2. They love playing any ace
3. They love playing any face cards
4. They love playing suited cards and will almost never fold a flush draw
5. An all-in is usually a very strong hand.

These are some of my default reads I use when I'm playing until I see something specific.

One more bit of advice, if you raise PF and 1 player calls OOP, then donk-min-bets the flop, raise the pot regardless of your cards. They'll fold like 80-85% of the time.

EDIT: To expand a little on why I don't think folding the flop is a bad play... You checked in the BB so you have nothing invested in this pot. TPTK just doesn't fare well against the typical micro-donk range. IMO, calling > folding > raising on this flop.

**NeedsAdvice** · 10-08-2009

Originally Posted by triple-t

One of the hardest things for us micro players is learning that there's no need to change up our play. The other players (99% of them) aren't paying attention and they still play their hands face up. Here's a couple of things that you should keep in mind about the average micro-donk:

1. They rarely fold a pair.
2. They love playing any ace
3. They love playing any face cards
4. They love playing suited cards and will almost never fold a flush draw
5. An all-in is usually a very strong hand.

These are some of my default reads I use when I'm playing until I see something specific.

One more bit of advice, if you raise PF and 1 player calls OOP, then donk-min-bets the flop, raise the pot regardless of your cards. They'll fold like 80-85% of the time.

EDIT: To expand a little on why I don't think folding the flop is a bad play... You checked in the BB so you have nothing invested in this pot. TPTK just doesn't fare well against the typical micro-donk range. IMO, calling > folding > raising on this flop.

Ya. I'm trying to build a bankroll through cash games, and I do well at times but then end up losing a lot because someone with 10 3 off calls my huge raise preflop, flops trips, and calls me to the river. A lot of players won't fold to my aggression because they have middle pair, which is great when I hit, but terrible when I don't.

**KRE8R** · 10-08-2009

Originally Posted by triple-t

You could have saved a lot of typing by saying "+1"

Haha, no joke I almost did.

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