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    Mike McDermott
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    Default 150nl - K5s, tp + FD in 3bet pot

    villain is 26/17 with a 6% 3b. This is his first 3b v me though.

    I figure I'll get flamed for calling PF but please let me know what you think about that anyway!

    Fold>4b>call?

    As for the flop,
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    Board: Kc Qh 4h
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    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 42.180% 41.92% 00.26% 7886 48.00 { Kh5h }
    Hand 1: 57.820% 57.57% 00.26% 10828 48.00 { QQ+, AKs, AhJh, AKo }

    Our equity is ok but not great against his probable stacking off range, if more went in PF then this wouldn't be a concern obv.

    What's your bet sizing here?

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    Seat 1: Bossen ($202.94)
    Seat 4: mira_69 ($300.30)
    Seat 5: Hero ($156.90)
    Seat 3: manolitoo ($34.31)
    Bossen posts the small blind of $0.75
    manolitoo posts the big blind of $1.50
    Hero is the button
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [ ]
    mira_69 folds
    Hero raises $4.50
    Bossen raises $12.37
    manolitoo folds
    Hero calls $12.37
    *** FLOP *** [ ]
    Bossen bets $18.00
    Hero ???
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    Call flop no?
    Seems more of his range that we beat will double barrel or check-call turn than shove if we raise.
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    I'm not too sure about preflop, but I see what you're getting at.

    Simple call on the flop for me. I don't think we want action from anything that plays back at a flop raise.
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    you missed all the Axhh combos that he'll 3b pre, which makes our equity look a lot better


    Board: Kc Qh 4h
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 44.175% 43.97% 00.20% 15672 72.00 { Kh5h }
    Hand 1: 55.825% 55.62% 00.20% 19824 72.00 { QQ+, 44, AKs, AcJc, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, AKo, KQo }

    given it's 4handed and btn vs blind i'd imagine his 3b would be more like 9%, of which a lil under 5% continues, so 4/9 times you win $32, 5/9 times you've got 44% of $310, i raise/call flop.

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    I didn't really think that I could include that many combo's of Axhh, I mean doesn't your analysis assume that he 3bets those hands every time? Surely we need to discount at least half of them?

    I guess we could include the odd hand like against which our equity is great.

    For those saying call, the pot goes to $61, how much are you willing to call on a bricked turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    For those saying call, the pot goes to $61, how much are you willing to call on a bricked turn?
    Whatever he wants to bet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    Whatever he wants to bet?
    So you're assuming that he gives up all his bluffs on the river if it bricks again? Can we really call a pot sized bet say on the turn??
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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    So you're assuming that he gives up all his bluffs on the river if it bricks again? Can we really call a pot sized bet say on the turn??
    If we're calling the flop because we reckon he double barrels or c/c turn with more of his range that we beat, then we have to at least call the turn.
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