im over short stackers

**obga** · 08-10-2009

THERE EVERYWHERE

PokerStars Game #31478830024: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2009/08/10 17:59:37 ET
Table 'Zech' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: donp77 ($22.25 in chips)
Seat 3: MAN-E-FACE ($19.15 in chips)
Seat 4: felipe-fe ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: gllen ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: yingjia888 ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: obga ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: DaRealHarry ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: si0x ($9.90 in chips)
obga: posts small blind $0.10
DaRealHarry: posts big blind $0.25
bamboocha88: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to obga [

]
si0x: folds
donp77: raises $0.25 to $0.50
MAN-E-FACE: folds
felipe-fe: calls $0.50
gllen: folds
yingjia888: raises $4.50 to $5 and is all-in
obga: folds
DaRealHarry: folds
donp77: folds
felipe-fe: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.50) returned to yingjia888
yingjia888 collected $1.85 from pot
yingjia888: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.85 | Rake $0
Seat 2: donp77 folded before Flop
Seat 3: MAN-E-FACE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: felipe-fe folded before Flop
Seat 5: gllen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: yingjia888 (button) collected ($1.85)
Seat 7: obga (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DaRealHarry (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: si0x folded before Flop (didn't bet)

**Wallace** · 08-10-2009

Why fold to that bet?

**MJPerry** · 08-10-2009

That fold is a massive mistake. You don't want to get 20BBs AIPF with JJ?

**obga** · 08-10-2009

Originally Posted by MJPerry

That fold is a massive mistake. You don't want to get 20BBs AIPF with JJ?

i got 2 ppl behind me + the additional raiser?

**bobg3** · 08-10-2009

I'm sure I'm the least skilled of the people in this thread, but I agree with the laydown. You're either slightly ahead (AKs, AKo), or way behind (AA, KK). That's not how I want to get my money in. You only have $.10 invested. I'd definitely let it go.

**Wallace** · 08-10-2009

Originally Posted by bobg3

I'm sure I'm the least skilled of the people in this thread, but I agree with the laydown. You're either slightly ahead (AKs, AKo), or way behind (AA, KK). That's not how I want to get my money in. You only have $.10 invested. I'd definitely let it go.

This thinking is way off IMO.

A lot of these short stackers like to jam it in with any pair, any ace.

KQ is is even a jamming hand there.

I would say that 20% of the time you're behind, 30% of the time you're racing against 2 overs, 10% of the time you're against 1 over, and 40% of the time you're against an underpair.

I know a lot of players hate JJ. This is just stupid though. It's in the top 5 for hand strength for a reason.

**bobg3** · 08-10-2009

I don't dislike JJ at all, but it's a hard one to call a shove with pre-flop in a cash game. I'm crushed against AA, KK, or QQ, and in a coinflip against AK, AQ, or KQ. It wouldn't be a bad call if it was just the two of you, but with donp77 sitting on $22 dollars behind you, I'd have trouble making the call.

Insta-call against short-stack in a tournament, though.

**bobbyleb89** · 08-10-2009

Originally Posted by MJPerry

That fold is a massive mistake. You don't want to get 20BBs AIPF with JJ?

i disagree. I think the fold is correct with 2 others to act behind and a huge raise behind. Unless the player is a complet donk, there's a real good chance it will be a race, JJ vs AK AQ, or domination with AA KK or QQ. I do not think it is worth the risk in this situation.

**Wallace** · 08-10-2009

Originally Posted by bobg3

I don't dislike JJ at all, but it's a hard one to call a shove with pre-flop in a cash game. I'm crushed against AA, KK, or QQ, and in a coinflip against AK, AQ, or KQ. It wouldn't be a bad call if it was just the two of you, but with donp77 sitting on $22 dollars behind you, I'd have trouble making the call.

Insta-call against short-stack in a tournament, though.

It's not a hard call at all. 22-1010 are certainly in the range here. Rarely will you get it in here and be dominated.

Don't worry about donp77 sitting behind you either. If he has a premium hand, you just got coolered.

I'm not folding JJ to anything but a 3bet pre-flop, and even then it's not an instant decision.

**dissata** · 08-10-2009

Originally Posted by Wallace

It's not a hard call at all. 22-1010 are certainly in the range here. Rarely will you get it in here and be dominated.

Don't worry about donp77 sitting behind you either. If he has a premium hand, you just got coolered.

I'm not folding JJ to anything but a 3bet pre-flop, and even then it's not an instant decision.

Would you raise to isolate, or just flat?

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