Live $1/$2 NL. I'm $350 deep and villain has me covered.

I get dealt 7c6c in CO.
2 players limp before I raise to $12, then button, SB, BB & 1 limper calls.

Flop($58) - [9h, 9s, 7d]
All check to me, I make $30 cbet, BB calls and everyone else folds.

Now this is where it gets interesting because against any of the other players I'd be praying for help, but the BB has a habit of trying to outplay everyone on the table all the time because he thinks he's hot shit. I've been waiting for him to try some of his nonsense on me because I will stack off lighter than the other weaklings he's been bullying if he's FOS. His line is always to float the flop and then bet or raise the turn and test opponents willingness to play for all their chips, and he'll do it without any piece of the board. He's shown these bluffs down too and he's so overusing it that i figure his range here on such a dry flop is mostly 2 overcards, some worse hands, and just a few hands that are beating me. I can't really say what overcards he might be holding so I'm hoping for a nice <7 turn card to make life easy in face of any action. My image should be tight too. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to try and mess with me on this board unless he takes my flop bet to be some sort of a weak stab, but he looks like he's keen to have a go at me anyway.

Turn($118) - [9h, 9s, 7d, Jh]

Villain bets $100. Hero goes into the tank.....

What do I do?
*Call and take my chances that he has no J with intention of calling down river too since he'll double barrel stackoff bluff all day?
*Fold and wait for a better spot?
*Shove for fold equity against a J or better 7 and to charge to overcards for the draw?

check flop 5way, fold turn.

I agree with Piv, while he might be a maniac, he has called you 5 way so absolutely can't think you are bluffing. I belive you are up against a 9 here, even if you are now if he wants to outplay you here, now is not the time to get tricky and go to town with him.

I'm not thrilled about the cbet and you just need to fold the turn I think, while you are winning some of the time you will end up making mistakes OOP because this is such a hard hand to play with villain having the chance to improve and you having 2 outs to a bettter non nut hand.

In general don't get out of line OOP take this guy to value town later.

I'm not sure about the isolate with 76s into two limpers live for 6bbs. Prefering it from the button, and if deep (as we are).

Originally Posted by 22Fish

I agree with Piv, while he might be a maniac, he has called you 5 way so absolutely can't think you are bluffing. I belive you are up against a 9 here, even if you are now if he wants to outplay you here, now is not the time to get tricky and go to town with him.

I know it sounds crazy, but you have to believe my read that this guy is pretending to have a 9 in order to blast me off what he reads as probably an overpair. Completely, totally insane play right? I don't know anyone who would try this and I haven't played with anyone who would try this ever I think. This guy was 1 in a million. If you could trust me when I say I'm 90% confident that I'm ahead on this flop do you still think a fold is such a no-brainer on the turn?

in the end i chickened out and folded the turn. i figured the J was in his range and i didn't like the idea that most hands in his preflop calling range that i was still beating like AT, KQ (13 outs), QT, KT (17 outs) drawing to so many outs on me, plus adding in the chance i had gotten things wrong with my read and a call started feeling very marginal. he then flipped over AJ grinning and said "you have an overpair right?" and then went on to explain "that it didn't matter that i hit the jack on the turn i was betting anyway" so i was right about him being hellbent on taking this pot from me with ATC.

my big regret is that i was only thinking about folding or calling turn and most rivers and never even considered shoving. i'd be betting $308 into a $218 pot so i'd need to take it down 59% of the time for it to be better than folding. i'd been quiet (ie not raising 67s) and i'd only shown down big hands so i think with my image i had around 59% of fold equity against any pair of jacks and close to 100% FE against rest of his FOS range so it easily beats folding, plus given how many outs his bluffs have i don't lose much value by shoving and missing out on another bluff on the river. i'm still spewing the turn wouldn't come out <8 for me so i could just call 2 bluffs and own this guy the easy way.

You did the right thing. As long as you can keep this guy in the game you'll have a chance to stack him off.

You only have $42 in this pot so it's a pretty marginal loss considering the bet placed on the turn.

With an idiot calling with 2 overs like this all you have to do is wait. Next time he tries that check-call BS with overs it will be the end of him when that J hits.

Patients beats these players 9/10 times. You just have to hope that some other rock doesn't stack him off before you get a premium spot.

Jam here and get snapcalled IMO, most LAGs will call lighter than you would expect as one pair is at the top of thier range compared to highcards which they are normally playing. This isn't great play for a LAG but pretty standard, and I feel that I do it also when playing such a way in SnGs.

Long story short, you played perfectly and I belive it was the following chat that made you question the hand.

Wp sir.

Originally Posted by 22Fish

Jam here and get snapcalled IMO, most LAGs will call lighter than you would expect as one pair is at the top of thier range compared to highcards which they are normally playing.

throwing random terms together makes you look dull sir.

Originally Posted by 22Fish

Jam here and get snapcalled IMO, most LAGs will call lighter than you would expect as one pair is at the top of thier range compared to highcards which they are normally playing. This isn't great play for a LAG but pretty standard, and I feel that I do it also when playing such a way in SnGs.

Long story short, you played perfectly and I belive it was the following chat that made you question the hand.

Wp sir.

I definitely had the read prior to what happened after the hand ended. Of course I was never 100% sure that he floated me with shit until he showed it, but I was sure enough about my read to tank for a couple of minutes to consider committing another $300 to a pot with a shit hand that would have been rapidly heading for the muck against any other player at the table.

I disagree that I had no fold equity here. I know my shove only amounts to a 2/3 pot raise which wouldn't scare many people online, but in a live game another $200 looks like a lot to people because they aren't very pot size aware and don't stack off as lightly. He was actually a decent player apart from his obsession with deciding to win certain pots no matter what, so I think he might have been good enough to believe my line and make a fold here, if that's what a good player would do Besides, the main reason I like a shove is that it performs well against his whole range here, so even if it's -EV against a J it's still good overall.