lol...bad river shove but this is vs an old friends of your guys, irexes

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($326)
BB ($111)
Hero ($108)
CO ($103)
BTN ($179)

Dealt to Hero 9:heart: T:club:

Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($3.75) J:diamond: Q:diamond: 8:spade:

Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

TURN ($7.75) J:diamond: Q:diamond: 8:spade: 2:heart:

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($7.75) J:diamond: Q:diamond: 8:spade: 2:heart: K:spade:

Hero bets $7, CO raises to $25, Hero raises to $105 (AI), CO calls $74.50 (AI)

Hero shows 9:heart: T:club:
(Pre 27%, Flop 74.3%, Turn 87.5%)

CO shows A:spade: T:spade:
(Pre 73%, Flop 25.7%, Turn 12.5%)

CO wins $204

Should have bet more on the flop.
Personally I would have bet just under pot on the turn instead of checking, but that's probably wrong

Originally Posted by 22Fish

This is the best board ever, so much they could have on the flop, pot it, pot it, pot it.

This advice is spot on.

Are you actually asking a question with your post???? Well I'll give you my thoughts on the hand anyhow....


Think about WHY you make the moves you do in poker.???

This is a cooler so don't worry about it too much but the hand itself has exposed a huge leak in your game. I want to focus only on the flop and turn play, the river pretty much plays itself.

Firstly what are you reads on the villain?

Secondally, you're playing deep stacked poker which means it's harder to build all in pots when you have a hand you want to do it with so my next question is why are you betting half pot on the flop (please answer the questions as you're thought process helps me help you).

(In poker if you can be a winning player then you are ahead of most, if you have a win rate of 4BB/100 then you are a solid winner. So by only betting half pot you are losing half of a decent win rate there and then. if you want to be a winning player, all of your descisions need to be the right ones. Your edge is only ever relativley small.)

On the flop, we have to asign our opponent a range of hands and a lot of that range will call on a flop where lots of connectors call, pocket pairs that think your ace or king has missed call, top pair or second pair type hands call so we want to extract MAXIMUM value on this street.

When they have a big hand all the money will go in anyway but most of the time just due to card distribution the villain will have a more marginal holding so just stop and think about when and why to extract the maximum value from the majority situation.

On the turn we see a total blank so if the villain has a draw you are giving him a chance to check back and hit which also doesn't help build the pot. There is a sayig I want you to remember: Small hands, small pots, big hands, big pots. It's so simple yet many players over complicate simple situations by getting fancy play syndrome which at these low stakes just costs you money.

So back to the turn, If he has a pair, pair plus draw, draw, or even a two pair type hand then we can clearly extract a nice amount of value on the turn. Again by checking you give up too much as with each progressive street, the amount of big blinds won or lost massivley increases. So lets talk about the why and get you milking these stakes.

A lot of the players that come to me for staking and/ or coaching always say the same thing, "I just get more bad beats than most" but the truth is that winning is so subtle that you have to maximise ALL situations to grind out the money.

Broker

As much as this might be a cooler, shoving that river as played is awful imo.

Bet flop bigger, bet turn and I'd just call the river when he raises.

btw, nice post Broker.

fwiw, really weird table dynamic becuase of a megafish. but river is clearly a call. and c/ring that turn isn't bad at all becuase he barely ever shows up with a better hand so hes either folding or bet folding the turn and he clearly floated me but obv his gutshot was a reason enough for him to check