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    Default confused about villain

    I came across this hand and I couldn't make much sense of what villain had or was repping.

    I was wondering what you guys put him on.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($10.35)
    Hero (BB) ($9.20)
    UTG ($2.25)
    MP ($10)
    CO ($10.95)
    Button ($9.40)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 6
    3 folds, Button bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.85) 10, 4, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.40, Button raises to $2.80, Hero folds

    Total pot: $3.65 | Rake: $0.15

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    ...he's repping a hand that beats middle pair

    why did you checkraise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by classickred View Post
    ...he's repping a hand that beats middle pair
    yeah. I figured as much. lol.

    why did you checkraise?
    because he bet out in position when he was checked to every time. I had been playing fairly tight, and I thought a raise here or another barrel on the turn would take it down.

    certainly was not expecting the light 3bet.

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    At NL10 he most likely has either a monster, monster draw or an overpair (in my experience anyway). Yeah dont c/r this flop. Either b/f or c/f.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissata View Post
    because he bet out in position when he was checked to every time. I had been playing fairly tight, and I thought a raise here or another barrel on the turn would take it down.
    So if he had total air here (which you believed he did when you raised), why wouldn't we want him to keep betting?

    The checkraise folds out every hand we're ahead of and is only called by hands that beat us, which is why it's ineffective.

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    I wouldn't c/r a fish in that spot, they won't fold 88-99 or stuff like that cos it is zee nuts to them.

    A decent player I could like a c/r against but probably a different board texture cos you rep absolutely nothing except the odd 22/44/random FD so they'll give you no credit and move in on you with all kinds of stuff (similar range to the fish perhaps, but they are doing it for the right reason!).

    Now, a reg who loves to cbet but doesn't think about what range his opponent is repping, that is who you want to c/r.

    Classick, it's all good saying we are folding out hands we beat, but with 66 there while we are technically ahead of all those overcard combos, we have no idea where we stand. Do we just keep c/c because we "are ahead of alot" even when the board inevitably hits his percieved range on the turn/river?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    Now, a reg who loves to cbet but doesn't think about what range his opponent is repping, that is who you want to c/r.
    agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    Classick, it's all good saying we are folding out hands we beat, but with 66 there while we are technically ahead of all those overcard combos, we have no idea where we stand. Do we just keep c/c because we "are ahead of alot" even when the board inevitably hits his percieved range on the turn/river?
    it depends on what you think the opponent is calling with. If he's really calling with bare overcards, sure, but if he's folding everything but strong flush draws I don't really like it. We can easily make a decision about what to do on the turn based on his cbet frequency and how aggressive we expect him to be in terms of two barrelling

    Should we really checkraise just because instead of analyzing his play we can say "well, we have a pair, lol put money in"? You're literally betting for information, are you not?

    in all fairness, it's probably not that bad vs. most NL10 players but it doesn't do much for developing a thought process to this game we're playing

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    A lot of the discussion has been about should we/shouldn't we check raise, something that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet is that you need to make it bigger! You're giving him 3-1 direct odds which is going to make it hard to get rid of him on the flop. I think if you're going to bluff, do it with one big bet now rather than one small one that will have to be followed up on the turn (c/r flop this small and c/f turn is just burning money!)

    edit - I'd be going much closer to pot fwiw

    2nd edit - try to give more of a read on the player in future, 3betting PF isn't out of the question for example until we know our villain
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    yeah if I c/r I make it $2ish.

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    I know 6 max is a lot looser/more aggressive then a full ring table (don't play those either) but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in on how I would feel about this hand anyway

    Pre-Either we think we've got him beat and he's just making a position raise with a wide range (in which case we can 3 bet and feel good about it) or we're set mining...set it or forget it.

    on the flop, I think the check/raise is not the line we want to take. I wouldn't mind peeling one off, but with the T on the board, there are a lot of hands in his range that it hits...think any two cards that contain a T and are 9 or higher. so there is a good reason to believe he may have hit hard here...(or already had you beat).

    The turn is almost always going to be a scare card. I personally say that you play Pre for set value and let it go after that...
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