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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($4.95)
MP2 ($5.52)
CO ($5)
Button ($7.51)
SB ($4.94)
BB ($1)
UTG ($1.96)
UTG+1 ($1.21)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5, 5
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) 4, 7, 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.07) 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.07) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.07 | Rake: $0.07

bet the river... flush isn't checking it because odds are you are checking behind him

Originally Posted by Av8tor009

bet the river... flush isn't checking it because odds are you are checking behind him

Why do you want to do this?

Are you betting for value or turning a hand with some showdown value into a bluff?

It's one thing to give advice but another to explain WHY you are doing what you are, which is more valuable to someone who is learning.

I'll let you know what I'd do later and why but first I want to explore the above answer

Broker

Originally Posted by Brokerstar

Why do you want to do this?

Are you betting for value or turning a hand with some showdown value into a bluff?

It's one thing to give advice but another to explain WHY you are doing what you are, which is more valuable to someone who is learning.

I'll let you know what I'd do later and why but first I want to explore the above answer

Broker

Hmmm...pretty sure he did explain it Brokerstars.....

I think it's quite obvious you don't bet 55 on that river for value.

Originally Posted by KRE8R

Hmmm...pretty sure he did explain it Brokerstars.....

He just said

bet the river... flush isn't checking it because odds are you are checking behind him

He hasn't explained exactly why he would bet? hense why I asked the question, "is he now turning 55 into a bluff?"

55 has some showdown value, not too much but some, what hand do you put the villain on?

I never said that betting the river was wrong I just wanted to know the thought process behind what he puts the villain on and why he feels that turning his hand into a bluff at this point is the way to go?

My thoughts on the hand are:

If you have no info on the villain (which OP said he never) then by showing the hand down you win some of the time as you have the best hand and when you lose, you actually gain so much info on exactly how the guy is playing which you can use later in the game to your advantage.

I never underestimate the value in seeing a showdown when I have showdown value as the information you also get on your opposition is very +EV if you're taking good notes and actually using them.

Broker

Originally Posted by MJPerry

I think it's quite obvious you don't bet 55 on that river for value.

Yes it may be obvious to you and it is to me but I think only through explaining why we would take the lines that we do and the thought process behind them do we all learn and evolve as players.

Also most of the guys on this forum are very new players and going into more detail about why line A may be more +EV than line B would go a long way to helping people how to think correctly about the game.

So what is a good way to play this hand? Pot-sized bet on the flop? Do you check on the turn in case that 10 of clubs has completed a draw for him or do you bet just in case he was chasing a str8, or has 2 high cards? I see why betting the river is good, because if he had a flush at that point, he would want to get some more money and wouldn't check it to me when I had already checked the turn. But the flop/turn are the ones I'm still unsure about.

I bet 55 for value there..........villain is extremely weak and probably A high.

Azeldin...what range do you put the UTG on when he limps and calls your raise? [You should already be thinking about this before seeing the flop.]

It's a fairly coordinated flop...what do we think about the cbet?

Azeldin...when you bet the flop is it for value? Of the range you put him on pre- what better hands are folding, what weaker hands are calling? I'm asking you these questions because they need to become fairly habitual.


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