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    $1-$3 live game. 7 players, so we're somewhat short handed. It also happens to be a fairly tight game.

    On the button with QQ. No limpers.

    Do you limp to hide strength but take a chance at getting cracked or do you raise and hope for action? Are you satisfied taking the $4 when both blinds fold to you?

    I choose to raise to $16 here. The SB calls.

    Flop comes Qc 5d 2h. The SB checks dark to you.

    What do you do? Do you check your flopped monster, put a small "call me" bet at it, or make a pot sized bet?

    I elect to make a "call me" bet of $15 into this pot of $35. The player calls.

    Turn comes Ah. SB instantly leads for $20 into the pot of $65.

    This is where I made my biggest mistake of this pot, so I'm curious to get some feedback from some other players.

    What do you do? Do you smooth call to disguise your hand, make a minny-raise, or put the hammer down?

    Where do you put this villian? How much is he willing to call? Does he have a made hand? Is he betting with a draw? How do you maximize this very strong hand without losing your fish?

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    Raise and raise big, 70$ seems reasonable, you need to get value from the A and two pair and lower sets.

    Limping pre is horrible. When they fold you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Fish View Post
    Raise and raise big, 70$ seems reasonable, you need to get value from the A and two pair and lower sets.

    Limping pre is horrible. When they fold you win.
    OK. How about on the flop? Is the $15 too small? Would you bet at all?

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    what are both of your stacks look like? How well do you know your opponent? Do you have the Qh or is it in the deck? does he like suited connectors? He checked dark after calling you out of position, then called the small bet on the flop. He could have been on a draw like 34s and the turn made him. Unlikely but it would be in the back of my mind.

    Most likely I think he believes your trying to buy the pot on his dark check and doesn't see the small bet as a "please call". I think betting the pot is more ideal because it feeds more into this suspicion, and imo makes it harder for him to put you on a set.

    I think the way you played it you have to stack off if either of you have less than 200BB as there is no way he thinks your that strong. Your beating almost everything he would play that way (34 being the sole exception). He could be holding the case queen, cause why would you lead out if you hit the ace and you think the other guy has a Q or is trying to buy the pot? maybe an under pair? or called the flop bet with A5 and is hoping you have AK and wants a re-raise? ... maybe you even got lucky and he hit a smaller set. I've also seen a lot of people make this play when they catch the flush draw on the turn. Raise the turn big. If he lets go, oh well. If he re-raises clench your teeth and push. I think your ahead more than 80% of the time and you'll suck out about 20% of the time your not (except AA), so why the hell not.

    If he flips over AA shake your head and chuckle cause A) no way your putting him on that reasonably B) its just a cooler.

    just my $0.02 ... which to be honest is not worth much.
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    I raise it preflop for sure.

    On the flop I think $15 is fine since there isnt much that can come on the turn that you are scared of.

    Turn you definitely have to raise and look to get allin.
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    raise preflop is the only correct play

    on the flop i love the small c-bet... usually when a PF raiser suddenly turns weak it makes people wonder why

    nice healthy raise on the turn is the right play.. this is where you get the value for the hand... no matter what happens ur committing ur whole stack to this hand... if he turns over the cooler... it's just not your day, but you need to get as much value out of this as u can
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R View Post
    I raise it preflop for sure.

    On the flop I think $15 is fine since there isnt much that can come on the turn that you are scared of.

    Turn you definitely have to raise and look to get allin.
    Quote Originally Posted by Av8tor009 View Post
    raise preflop is the only correct play

    on the flop i love the small c-bet... usually when a PF raiser suddenly turns weak it makes people wonder why

    nice healthy raise on the turn is the right play.. this is where you get the value for the hand... no matter what happens ur committing ur whole stack to this hand... if he turns over the cooler... it's just not your day, but you need to get as much value out of this as u can
    Ditto

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    The play I decided to make was a min raise.

    I went to 40 and he snapped called.

    River brings a the 3h. Board is now Qc 5d 2h Ah 3h

    Villian checks to me and I value bet $50. I'm feeling pretty strongly that he doesn't have hearts, but for some dumb reason the 3h scares me with the weird straight possibility. I can't put him on any hand that has a 4 in it, so i put a value bet that I feel any Ace will call.

    He frustrate calls and turns over 55. He had about another 150 that I could have gotten with a real re-raise on the turn. Once that scary straight/flush card hits the river it slows him down and he can only check-call.

    I've been mad at myself for how poorly I played that ever since. I should have thought more strongly about the possibility that he called on the flop with either a set(thinking he was trapping) or a big ace.

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    i think a min raise on the turn is good because if he did have two hearts it charges him correctly for his draw and you lose less money when he goes all in.

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