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    Stu Ungar sk8freak_21's Avatar
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    Default JJ, easy fold pre?

    just started my session so no reads

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    CO ($27.53)
    Button ($25)
    SB ($22.51)
    Hero (BB) ($45.82)
    UTG ($25)
    MP ($69.10)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
    2 folds, CO bets $0.75, Button raises to $2.85, SB calls $2.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($6.70) A, K, A (2 players)
    SB checks, Button bets $4, 1 fold

    Total pot: $6.70 | Rake: $0.33

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    Outcome: Button won $6.37
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    yeah std

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    Call?
    CO open we have to assume to be pretty wide - say 25% and only 4betting here with 2.5% of his hands or 1/10th of the time. I dont even think he autoshoves AK/QQ here tbh, at NL25 alot of players I can see just calling.

    This means if we put in $2.60 we get to see a 4way flop with JJ 90% of the time and pretty good chance of stacking someone if we hit a set so seems best play to me.
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    I agree with Wota, definitely a playable hand, even in the early going.

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    I'd call.
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    seems bad to call 11.5 bb's OOP to set mine, no? I'll be check folding the flop a ton.
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    It's close but tell me, what would you do with AKos in this spot and why?

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    seems bad to call 11.5 bb's OOP to set mine, no? I'll be check folding the flop a ton.
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    Fold AK. Reverse implied odds are too high and chance of getting paid off too slim.

    You have JJ and flop is J72 you get paid of by QQ KK and AA
    You have JJ and flop is KJ2 you get paid off by AK and AA and only lose to KK.

    You have Ak and flop is K72, QQ probably check-folds and AA and KK work you
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    Quote Originally Posted by piv View Post
    yeah std
    This is unusually nittish of you?!

    As for AKo, at higher stakes I'd be 4betting most of the time for sure, at 25nl you're probably better off folding it, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
    This is unusually nittish of you?!

    As for AKo, at higher stakes I'd be 4betting most of the time for sure, at 25nl you're probably better off folding it, yeah.
    how do you play TT? imo it's essentially the same hand and i fold because of sk8s point, i think an overcard falls half the time (not sure on the math), we're 3way oop to both and even if we don't see overcards playing the c/c-pot-control-guessing-game sucksss

    plus i just don't think peoples 3b ranges are wide enough in the first place

    also our hand is super face up as TT/JJ no?

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