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  1. #1
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    Default could I've got away?

    that was my second hand on the table, so I don't have prior stats on my opponent, except that he made a minraise preflop (exactly as on this hand) with QTs

    I tried to slowplay TPTK on flop, trying to induce him to bluff
    and I though it had worked
    from his call (wtf) I could only put him on A9, K9 or, more likely on that flop, one of the many possible draws (straight and flush)

    so I had to go with my guess
    I know he played that terrible, but well... it worked
    an overpair was something I never would put him on, specially a high one


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    UTG ($50.50)
    UTG+1 ($87.30)
    MP1 ($37.50)
    MP2 ($50.70)
    MP3 ($37.30)
    CO ($33.35)
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    Hero (SB) ($39)
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    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 9
    5 folds, CO bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50) 5, 8, 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $18, CO calls $14

    Turn: ($42.50) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $18 (All-In), CO calls $12.35 (All-In)

    River: ($67.20) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $67.20 | Rake: $3

    Results:
    Hero had A, 9 (one pair, nines).
    CO had K, K (one pair, Kings).
    Outcome: CO won $64.20

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    I don't get crazy with A9o from the SB. I don't think you played this particularly well. Minraise can mean strength, I don't know why a big PP wasn't in the back of your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4tun8 View Post
    I don't get crazy with A9o from the SB. I don't think you played this particularly well. Minraise can mean strength, I don't know why a big PP wasn't in the back of your mind.
    well
    most players learn overtime that slowpaying AA or KK preflop is hardly profitable
    they need to be very good after flop to not win a little or lose a lot
    specially in this case, when he was reraised

    and also just calling on THAT flop (which flop could be worst?) seems very weak IMO
    he may actually be trying to show weakness, but I hardly think this can be rewarded properly in the long run
    Last edited by kavelot; 05-10-2009 at 07:15 PM.

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    I don't really like 3betting light OoP with no reads really.

    Checking flop could induce bluff. But if you c/r, all those bluffs fold so you're not really getting value from anything that you beat really.

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    I guess he played the hand kinda funky on the flop by just calling... But then again... If he's flushing he's not going to just flat call your huge over-raise on the flop - He's going to ship it all surely?

    I think the re-raise pre-flop is just strange... Even if he is minimum raising without a big hand... I just don't see the profit in coming over the top of him - I mean, what sort of flop do you really feel comfortable with on the flop with a hand like A-9 off?

    If you feel you were comfortable on a 9 high flop after all of the betting then I think you re-trace the hand... You're right in what you say about players aren't really slowplaying Aces or Kings pre-flop that much online anymore... But some people know that, so they do the complete opposite of your though process in order to be deceptive... The thought of a big pair had to be somewhere in your thought process when he came out and bet at the flop after you re-raised pre-flop... And alarm bells really should have been ringing when he called your check-raise... The whole hand just stinks of an overpair buddy!

    I don't think you can throw it away for $4 on the flop (Purely because of your action pre-flop), but maybe call and let a card come off? Or not have such a rush to the head next time... Some people will still limp in/min-raise with big pairs pre-flop!

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    OK

    Let me run through this.

    You're playing a vanurable hand, out of position. So you 3 bet pre flop, I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I want to know why you decided to 3 bet? Are you doing it for value, as a bluff, to take the hand down pre flop?

    Now on the flop, you've shown strength pre flop, repping a big hand. You flop top pair/ top kicker on a drawyish board. So my next question is why are you not betting for value? There are so many scare cards that come on the turn and he may call with overs, flush draws, pocket pairs that put you on overs etc, so by checking you're missing value from a player that you know next to nothing about

    Lastly why are you playing with less than a full stack (100 BB)? You will miss value when you play with 70BB.

    Good Luck, be interested in your thoughts.

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    Betting the flop is so much better than check-raising, nothing worse calls you here.

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    When you make any move in poker, have a good reason for why you are doing it, (TA made this pretty explicit in his posts). It would be interesting to see you reasoning on all streets here.

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    I hardly see decent players minrasing on NL hold em
    I can't see any spot where a minraise preflop is reasonable

    so when I see this kind of thing, I already start thinking the player is not good
    and I was also influenced by his first hand, in which he minraised with QT

    so I really though he was a kind of maniac, that would be trying to steal blinds and pot
    I still don't think he was a good player, just think he got luck getting the right cards at the right time, but most of the time I believe he would have raised with a K9 hand, for example, then tried to steal the pot no matter what it was if I checked
    so that's why I decided to raise preflop (because I really believed I had a better hand) and to attack with TPTK

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    Maybe they sinced you trying to make a move

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