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  1. #1
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    Default Q10 suited in the blind

    is this a standard line?

    i bet fold the turn

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    Hero ($76.63)
    UTG ($39.50)
    MP ($88.01)
    CO ($50)
    Button ($52.96)
    SB ($65.95)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50.

    Flop: ($6.25) , , (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $2.97, Hero raises to $7, UTG folds, Button calls $4.03.

    Turn: ($20.25) (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

    River: ($40.25) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    Final Pot: $40.25

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Qs Ts (two pair, queens and tens).
    Button has Qh Jh (straight, queen high).
    Outcome: Button wins $40.25.

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    Why isn't this guy opening fire at the river???

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    i have no idea but im definately not calling it!

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    I think I'd c/r bigger on flop.
    I'm not sure if I'm betting turn. Nothing worse is calling, but we could often be bluffed off the best hand if we just check here. Thoughts? As you said, B/f might be good.

    I wonder why he checked the river too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breathoflife89 View Post
    I think I'd c/r bigger on flop.
    You can check raise all you want on the flop. This guy is not going anywhere, nor should he.

    Even against 2 pair he's a 41% favorite to win the hand, and gets an additional 3% to chop it. It's nearly a coin flip.

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    Don't be results orientated :P I don't like this board even with two pair. I'm c/r bigger there for value from weaker two pairs, flush draws and pair+gutters/openender hands.

    There's not too many good turn cards out there for us, and I wouldn't mind taking the pot now even with top two. We're most likely ahead, and it's a really drawy board so I'd rather they pay a bit more for their draws than just an almost-min check-raise.


    Does anyone see merits in c/c flop and then leading out a blank turn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by breathoflife89 View Post

    There's not too many good turn cards out there for us
    I disagree. I think there are more good cards for the turn than bad.

    Obviously, you don't want to see a club, 9, J, or K. That's a total of 18 scare cards. The J isn't even that much of a scare card, especially if you're check raising this board. More times than not, a gut shot is going to fold, especially if it's the gut shot to the low end. No one holding an 8 is coming along in a check raised pot. Scare card count is actually more like 15.

    Any 2-7 or Ace non club is a good card. Any Q or 10 is also a gold card.

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    2 9's, 3 J's, 3 K's, 3 8's, 9 clubs (-1 for T clubs) 20 cards to dodge there. Also, I don't see an A as too great of a card [probably not horrible, but not pleasing] as it hits some of their flop calling range too.

    I hardly think that this would be a good spot to check almost min-raise and offer them great odds when we want to dodge half the deck. Which was why I was wondering if maybe c/c flop and leading a blank turn or c/c a bad turn would be better.
    Last edited by breathoflife89; 04-21-2009 at 06:41 PM.

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    Holy hell he lost value on the river check.
    Lots of good rakeback options at http://www.rakeguard.com/?raf=KRE8R

    KRE8R probably has about seventy college funds in his NL5 roll.

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    donk flop too many gay turns, he wont cbet this board enough esp 3way, as played make your c/r $10.50

    fold pre too
    Last edited by Pinguaq; 04-21-2009 at 08:55 PM. Reason: merged posts

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