It was my 1st hand of the night. I sit down to a $1-$3 game with $200 and whatya know, I get AA on the 1st hand.
Pretty sick right?
So, instead of dicking around with them, I make an over-raise to $25 in a game that typically shows raises from $8-20. My raise screams aces and I know that no one is going to believe me because I JUST sat down.
2 players who limped before me both make the call.
Flop comes 5 6 9, with 2 hearts.
Both players check to me.
I fire $40 into the pot of $73(post rake).
The 1st player who checked, insta calls me, and the other folds.
Turn card comes a 7, no heart. Board is now 5, 6, 7, 9 with 2 hearts.
This player waits for a moment or 2, and then moves all in for $96.
The pot size is now $169(post rake).
Why is this guy going nuts with this pot now?
What kind of hand would he limp-call $25 with, and then check-call $40 with after the flop?
I assume that he's holding a PP of some sort, and it's certainly not JJ or bigger because it would have warrented a pre-flop raise or pre-flop re-raise.
That means that there are a ton of cards out there in his range of PP that make him a set. Anything from pocket 5's to 9's has me smashed.
On the other hand, he could be holding a hand like A10 of hearts, flopped flush draw and picked up a gut shot to go with it on the turn. Hell, he could have A-anything hearts and be shoving on the flush draw.
It crosses my mind that this player thinks I'm bluffing as well, because I'm hammering the pot with the 1st hand I'm in.
So whatya do? It's $96 to win $169. I have $65 in this pot already. Does he have AA beat or is he making a play with a draw?
Call or fold?
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Thread: Call or fold
April 20th, 2009 #1
Call or fold
April 20th, 2009 #2
Your math's a bit off, I'll let you take the rake off at the end
PF: 25 + 25 + 25 = $75 (lets just assume both blinds are in this hand)
Flop: $75 +$40 + $40 = $155
Turn Raise: $155 + $96 push = $251
So it's up to you to call $96 into $251 (minus rake).
I say "so sick"... and then I call ready to rebuy if I lose. If you are playing with your whole roll for the night I wounldn't mind the fold.
Last edited by Pinguaq; April 20th, 2009 at 07:25 PM."People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and if they can't find them, they make them." - George Bernard Shaw
April 20th, 2009 #3
April 20th, 2009 #4
And then rebuy.
April 20th, 2009 #5
April 21st, 2009 #6
April 21st, 2009 #7
Easy fold for me.
And I would either bet the flop a lot bigger ready to get it in like $60-70 or just check. I think betting less than $50 on that board is a pretty big mistake to be honest.
April 21st, 2009 #8
Mucking is exactly what I should have done. What is it with this idiot part of my brain that always wants to call when I have a big pair? Even after years of playing this game I still feel the need to call off my money just to show some chump how lucky they got.
So stupid. I knew I was beat and the hands that I could beat were few and far between.
April 21st, 2009 #9
Then again, if this guy was willing to call $40 with a middle pair and gut shot, why wouldn't he call $50 or $60?
I think the fact that I raised with my 1st hand made this guy think I was full of it. I think he only folds to a pot size bet, which is what I should have fired.
I hate making those big bets on the flop though, because I could walk right into a big re-raise from someone who just smashed a set or flopped a straight. When those situations do come up, I end up losing $70 instead of $40 because I will fold to a big re-raise.
April 21st, 2009 #10
^lol@thinking he even is thinking about what you have.
I'd bet more on this flop because the texture of the board is dangerous. I wouldn't mind *too* much about taking it down on the flop either. Flush draw & closely connected cards mean that there are a lot more draws [esp in a multiway, so it warrants a big bet too] which you should rightly get value from.
I'd have thought it's a standard fold on the turn. Although you have 2.5-1 odds, what are you really beating? Do you see him playing with 9T+/TT+ this way? If he didn't have you beat on the flop with a set or two pair, his other likely hands which were pair+gutter [67/68/79/89, maybe 57/58] has you beat with that turn card, making two pair or a straight.
I don't think I'm ever calling here unless I have reads that he plays any flush draw in exactly this way.
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