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Old 05-17-2008, 08:52 AM
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Guy is playing 18/16, he can't be that bad.
But then he isn't calling with KJ off (preflop)? Making it much more likely he has AK or AJ. If he has AQ it's a cooler, TT may flat but that's only 1 hand.

I think we easily win 50% or more of the time here pushing flop.

It's an interesting hand though since there isn't many flush draws in his range.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:28 AM
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Guy is playing 18/16, he can't be that bad.
Even if he has decent preflop stats he can still be a tool postflop.

However, even if we give him a "reasonable" flop range you guys are just drastically underestimating our equity and the flop and the turn.

I suck with pokerstove so am having problems but we are a favorite vs A10+.

Board: Ah Qs Ts
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.350% 41.99% 06.36% 7482 1134.00 { ATo+ }
Hand 1: 51.650% 45.29% 06.36% 8070 1134.00 { AsTh }

Adding in sets changes very little as given that we have 2 pair it is extremely unlikely that he has a set. He will ocassionaly have KJ here but I can't imagine that drops our equity below 40%. Now if you allow him to semi bluff ocassionally with pairs + gutshots, KK, JJ then we are suddenly ahead by a decent amount.

Folding the turn is even more insane. We have 4 FH outs, 9 nut flush outs, 3 nut str8 outs, for 17 outs total. Even if none of our FH outs are good we have 13 outs for 27% equity. How on earth can you guys even consider folding the turn. We have straight up odds to call. against the range of AJ+ getting 2.6:1.

Board: Ah Qs Ts Ks
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.617% 66.56% 04.06% 410 25.00 { AJo+ }
Hand 1: 29.383% 25.32% 04.06% 156 25.00 { AsTh }

IF someone who knows how to work pokerstove wants to redo this with more accurate ranges they are welcome to but hopefully this makes it clear how bad folding is.

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Old 05-30-2008, 08:21 AM
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dump it on the flop, Kj is a real possibility. I think you can find clearer better places to put your money in. + his raise suggests to me your going to face a big descion on the turn,
So id fold but then if he does it to much start to look him up a bit more.

As for turn meh god knows! id probably pray n call.
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