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04-17-2008, 02:08 PM
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River Rat
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NL25 TP2K gay river
Villain was very loose, around 76/30/1 stats, and was cashing up after starting as a short stack.
I didn't think he had to be calling me with much on the flop, either mid pair, weaker queen, flush draw. I was sort of checking to allow him to bluff the turn, as I'd seen him do this a lot when he was checked to. The size of the bet almost indicated he had nothing, but maybe the flush draw. I didn't at all expect a call from the CR
The river is gay, especially when he called the turn CR, but do I have any options here?
$0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight | fold when you know you're beat (BETA)
Stacks:
UTG ( $50.20)
Hero ($53.20)
BTN ($20.40)
SB ( $26.40)
BB ( $10.65)
Pre-flop: ( $0.4, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds
Flop:  ( $2.4, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50.
Turn:  ( $5.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero bets $7, BTN calls $5.
River:  ( $19.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $10.90, Hero folds
Final Pot: $30.30
Hero shows:
BTN wins $29.35 ( won +$8.95 )
Hero lost -$9.50
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04-17-2008, 03:57 PM
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Bet turn? Why c/r a guy with AF of 1?
You also risk him checking behind and a gay river coming like a spade. Just bet/call and let him draw.
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04-17-2008, 04:05 PM
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Mike McDermott
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I think river is very close to a shove. I'd bet flop, bet turn and then push river. The spade isnt great but this guy is as likely to have QT or even A8/99 etc as a flush draw. In this type of spot I dont really want to fold and feel checking allows him to check back hands like an 8 but bet flushes so I put it in for him.
I can see a check fold if hes a fish playing maybe 40/10 but someone playing this many hands can probably clal with anything on the rover.
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04-17-2008, 04:07 PM
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Mike McDermott
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidab157
Bet turn? Why c/r a guy with AF of 1?
You also risk him checking behind and a gay river coming like a spade. Just bet/call and let him draw.
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AF can be misleading and this is an example of why. If you place 4 bets and make 1 call over 10 hands you will have an AF of 4. If he places 10 bets and calls 10 bets he will have an AF of 1. He is still betting 2.5x more regularly than you and as such is going to have a much wider range for that bet.
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04-17-2008, 05:28 PM
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this is just a standard pot pot shove for me against this fish.
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04-17-2008, 10:17 PM
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NL20 Grinder...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piv
this is just a standard pot pot shove for me against this fish.
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+1. Same for me.
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04-17-2008, 11:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
AF can be misleading and this is an example of why. If you place 4 bets and make 1 call over 10 hands you will have an AF of 4. If he places 10 bets and calls 10 bets he will have an AF of 1. He is still betting 2.5x more regularly than you and as such is going to have a much wider range for that bet.
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Still, it doesn't give you enough evidence to go for a c/r on such a drawy board when his range includes far worse hands that will pay off a simple bet.
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04-18-2008, 01:27 AM
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Mike McDermott
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was sort of checking to allow him to bluff the turn, as I'd seen him do this a lot when he was checked to
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This not enough evidence to justify a turn check? I personally just go pot, pot, pot but if the guy is capable of calling flop with A high and betting when checked to with any 2 then sb's play is reasonable.
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04-18-2008, 08:25 AM
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Poker Hustler
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pot/pot/shove
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04-18-2008, 12:52 PM
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Mike McDermott
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river is a call.
turn prolly bet.
IDK if i check river.
It can induce bluffs from worse hands, but also okey hands might check behind.
u gotta call in you check IMO.
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