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Old 04-04-2008, 04:36 PM
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Default 100nl minraising ftw

Villain is 43/6/1.7 over about 50 hands. Reads are he obviously plays far too many hands pre, but he's not afraid to be aggressive postflop. He hasn't shown down much but I've seen minraising in stupid spots, and overbet shoving to the extreme, all kinds of stuff.

UTG is a 80/30/3 maniac fwiw.

Flop play and the min3bet in particular. Love it or hate it?

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Stacks:
UTG ($162.00)
Hero ($172.55)
BTN ($89.00)
SB ($107.55)
BB ($193.95)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 5 players) Hero is CO
UTG calls $1, Hero bets $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($14.5, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $10, SB bets $30, UTG folds, Hero bets $50, SB goes all-in $73.05, Hero calls $43.05.
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:23 PM
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Flop play and the min3bet in particular. Love it or hate it?
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After the SB raises you to $30, he's invested a 1/3 of his stack. If you don't fold to the raise, I'm guessing the SB is all-in on the turn - so your re-raise to $50 just moved the decision up to all-in on the flop.

What did you put on? Most obvious possibility would be pair of kings but with what kind of kicker? Maybe an Ace (but would he smooth call AK?) or a 6 0r 7 like or . Then there are the set possibilies but he shoulda re-raised big time with KK and since you have both a 6 ad 7 either of those sets are pretty unlikely althou not impossible. Being so loose he may have made a move for $30 with a KQ or KJ but to then go all-in on your re-r? naaa - not very good poker!
What would you say his read on you was? If you had shown cards like those after a preflop raise, I'd read you as LA with positional awareness cuz it looks like your after stealing the blinds and the UTG call. I also recall a preflop re-r 5.5 x the original raise with just K-J from the BB - a LA move that aslo looks like a steal attempt. Are you a poker thief david??
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:13 PM
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Being so loose he may have made a move for $30 with a KQ or KJ but to then go all-in on your re-r? naaa - not very good poker!
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Villain is 43/6/1.7 over about 50 hands.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:15 PM
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like i said on aim

pros...
-he may think he has FE and shove over you with a Kx hand that would otherwise fold if you shoved.
-min3bet will probably infuriate him
-he does retarded stuff

cons...
-gives away hand strength but i doubt he realises this
-good odds for draws
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:46 AM
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There's no way you want to do anything other than get it all in here, it really doesn't matter what he has, you have his range crushed

I've given a rough range below that includes the 1 set combinations for both 66/77 and I've put in one KK combo because he should almost never have this. I've included 1 combination of both K6s and K7s because this can't be discounted and I've given him a few flush draws including the most obvious

One thing I haven't included is the possibility of him having the same hand but I don't think that will change the equity calc much.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

33,660 games 0.005 secs 6,732,000 games/sec

Board: Kd 6d 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.507% 63.40% 00.11% 21341 35.50 { 7s6s }
Hand 1: 36.493% 36.39% 00.11% 12248 35.50 { KhKs, 7d7h, 6h6s, AdJd, KJs+, Kh7h, Kh6h, 9d8d, 8d7d, AdKc, AhKc, AsKc, KJo+ }


As for do I like the min 3bet, I'm not sure our hand is strong enough AND he gets to act first on the turn. I can see a spazzy player quite often calling the flop 3bet and pushing a lot of turn cards which will put you in a shitty spot as there are a lot of really bad turn cards for you. Because you don't want to see a turn card I ship it in over the 3bet. Nice idea, wrong hand and board combo imho.
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As for do I like the min 3bet, I'm not sure our hand is strong enough AND he gets to act first on the turn. I can see a spazzy player quite often calling the flop 3bet and pushing a lot of turn cards which will put you in a shitty spot as there are a lot of really bad turn cards for you. Because you don't want to see a turn card I ship it in over the 3bet. Nice idea, wrong hand and board combo imho.
I really don't see the guy raising a draw on the flop, so I wasn't as scared as I would be normally about letting him see a cheap turn.

Does him getting tilted and shoving a weak Kx hand happen more often than calling a shove with it to the point the minraise is more profitable, given the risk of scare cards etc.?
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:04 AM
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I really don't see the guy raising a draw on the flop, so I wasn't as scared as I would be normally about letting him see a cheap turn.

Does him getting tilted and shoving a weak Kx hand happen more often than calling a shove with it to the point the minraise is more profitable, given the risk of scare cards etc.?
You said he wasn't afraid to get aggressive post flop so I'm not sure why you don't think he has a FD here sometimes.

As for the 2nd bit, you played the guy, sorry mate but you know the answer to that better than anyone here.
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You said he wasn't afraid to get aggressive post flop so I'm not sure why you don't think he has a FD here sometimes.

As for the 2nd bit, you played the guy, sorry mate but you know the answer to that better than anyone here.
He was aggressive yes, I just thought he was more of the marginal made hand aggro type than the semi-bluffing type. Suppose that was just a feel I got from being there.

I think this minraising is a proper concept, not just a thing you have to be there for. This is a very specific situation but I'm interested in opinions on other spots to do it and what boards/hand strength we need.
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:09 AM
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dude wtf, just shove it in. the min 3bet here is just so completely unnecessary and unhelpful.

wait, uh, i mean CiB4lyfe yo!
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